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To think that blue badge spaces are for people with blue badges?

142 replies

Sixweekstowait · 08/06/2016 18:12

First of all I want to apologise to those people who were offended by the my use of a phrase which I will not, of course, repeat here. It was coined by a very wonderful disability rights campaigner in the 80s and was a tongue in cheek shot across the bows at all the negative labels that were in common use then to describe people with disabilities. Now...my point is that no one should use a disabled space without a blue badge. Is that BU? No one of course should challenge anyone with a blue badge . So I will say again that I was really really angry this morning for the second day running at the disabilist selfish entitled who were abusing these spaces at the station and I was upset that no one came to my support. I was actually trapped in my car by a van as I couldn't open the door to get out. I was going to work . Is it BU to mind that ? It happens over and over again and I am FUCKING fed up with it

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PeppermintPasty · 09/06/2016 14:08

Someone up thread asked who to report the offenders to. If someone is abusing a BB it's the Local Authority, but other than that the police for people parking in public disabled spaces when they have no BB displayed. Not that the police will do much. I have been (unjustly) reported.

I have a BB, and an invisible disability. I have been harangued so often that every single time I park in a disabled space I find myself over compensating madly-waving my BB around wildly so passers by can see it etc. Quite funny really. I am very fit and well and look like I don't need it, but I do!

lalalalyra · 09/06/2016 15:09

welshmaenad Services round here are appalling. The cancer hospital is amazing, but they're being badly let down by other services. Relatives badge came this morning - I don't think it's a coincidence that I went on a tweeting/social media spree last week including asking her MP what he was going to do about it.

BishopBrennansArse · 09/06/2016 15:09

Daisies I could accept that if the same was true in the reverse situation but it's not.

The phrase used was considered offensive to able bodied people. If it had been an able bodied person using an offensive term about a disabled person it would be left to stand because either it would be considered educational or because it would be challenged. The thread wouldn't be deleted just because if one term. I've seen threads with Disablist language edited by mnhq too to remove the phrase.

But because it was a term used by a member of a minority group against the majority the whole thing was deleted.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 09/06/2016 15:22

Yes there is currently a ton of disablism not even being deleted elsewhere

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/06/2016 15:54

Hope someone reports it, puzzled

At least a few people have reported it to the local council, but nothing appears to have been done - exactly why that might be is the subject of much local discussion

I wondered myself how they produce the required holograms which Learned mentioned, but I'm hardly the type these arseholes are likely to take into their confidence; the closest I've got is being told that they're "good enough"- wink, smirk, giggle Hmm

PurpleDaisies · 09/06/2016 16:15

I was also surprised it was deleted bishop. I didn't see how the thread progressed and wondered if it had degenerated into a slanging match. At the point I had to go to work I thought it was fine to stand with a comment from mumsnet about whether the phrase used by the op was acceptable or not.

LurkingHusband · 09/06/2016 16:18

In the 20+ years I have been with MrsLH, her blue badge has never once been challenged.

Traffic/Parking wardens (presumably) have the power to ask to see the reverse of the badge, which carries a photograph of the holder.

The rules are crystal clear. The badge can only be used when the person it relates to is actually being driven in the car. So no using it to "pop to the shops for MrsLH" or somesuch bullshit.

It's shenanigans with BBs which have caused some locations with very limited parking to increase the threshold to require not only a Blue Badge, but a car which is taxed as a true disabled vehicle (£0) - a much higher standard (and also incredibly restrictive if a BB holder doesn't have such a car, but is getting a lift from a non-disabled driver).

As with the arseholes who feel it's their "right" to ignore the law and use their phone when driving, I would happily see a penalty of the confiscation of the car for either offence. Sale by auction, and proceeds to shopmobilities across the UK. (You'd never guess I'm fairly liberal in most things Smile).

SO with regards to holograms - as long as the badge passes muster at a distance, I imagine no one is at risk.

It has to be said the ludicrous "cars:evil, public transport:good" mentality that has engulfed local councils is partly to blame. There's fuck-all parking to start with (because we're all supposed to take the bus, or cycle). So of course BB spaces will be abused.

It's also obvious that planners have no ideas what they are up to when it comes to dealing with specialist needs (I wonder why ?). People with disabilities may have differing needs for parking. In MrsLHs case, it would be the same needs as P&C. More space around the car, allowing for doors to be opened fully, and wheel(push) chair to be removed from boot and placed alongside the car. Once that is achieved, the actual distance to the store is moot, so that provision could actually be at the back of the car park.

The other main reason would be proximity to entrance/exit (OPs need). That does require parking close to store. But only for a subset of all BB holders.

Or that's my view.

It will interesting to see what autonomous cars bring to the party. They would have to have software which requires them to respect parking regulations, so would only use BB spaces if authorised.

Applying LurkingHusbands law of "if it really mattered", there are several low/zero cost solutions to most BB abuse (see upthread about clever car park design). One idea I had would be to have a drive-over ramp into the space which prevents exit unless dropped. To drop it you show your BB to the warden/attendant/in store.

Also, given some supermarket car parks are ANPR regulated now (our local Sainsburys) it should be trivial to log and act on reg numbers caught abusing the system - especially if there's an exit barrier.

Owlytellsmesecrets · 09/06/2016 17:06

I was challenged last week in Waitrose by a woman in her car rolled down the window and told me it was a disabled space .... Yes I'm aware..... You need a blue badge .... Yes I have! ..... Why ? You don't look disabled? ..... I'm not !!!! But this child that I am pushing in the fucking disabled child's trolley is!!!

It makes me furious. I do actually have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome so due to my disabilities which I don't look like I have, if be entitled to. BB .... Just haven't as its admitting there's a problem!

LittleMissBossyBoots · 09/06/2016 18:07

I get challenged all the time and it drives me up the fucking wall. I'm displaying my blue badge. If you doubt the validity of it take it up with the council but DO NOT expect me to justify myself to some random self appointed parking inspector in the middle of Asda's carpark.

fassbender · 09/06/2016 18:15

YANBU- I am a blue badge holder and this REALLY gets my goat. Especially because I work in a hospital where there is only one disabled staff parking spot near my department and it is constantly bring taken by people without badges. If there is a badge user in it, it isn't a member of staff (no staff permit) but security don't enforce it as being for staff only. Grrrrr Angry

fassbender · 09/06/2016 18:33

Ultimately, more BB spaces are needed everywhere. In the case of my work, it is ridiculous that a hospital has only 2 BB spaces near the entrance to my dept (one staff, one public). I made a right fuss when I started working there, as the BB spaces were originally 100m + from the entrance and mobile MRI scanning units were allowed to park over them!

northernshepherdess · 09/06/2016 18:58

I have mh issues and could get a bb but don't because it wouldn't help me in a breakdown situation.
But currently I also have SPD.. a pregnancy disorder that gives severe pain in the pelvis and hips. I'm currently sitting in bed. I can't turn over without help. I can't walk very far. I traps the nerve making my leg switch off. I have used disabled spaces.. mostly I use parent and child spaces... but thanks to lazy shit bags and blue badge holders without children, I often end up really having to struggle. Luckily I never go out alone or I would not be able to manage at all.

BishopBrennansArse · 09/06/2016 19:04

Excuse me?
Blue badge holders should have children with them to qualify for spaces?
Did you REALLY just say that's?

EveryoneElsie · 09/06/2016 19:06

What does a blue badge have to do with a car breakdown or having children? Confused

PurpleDaisies · 09/06/2016 19:08

but thanks to lazy shit bags and blue badge holders without children, I often end up really having to struggle.

Bloody hell. You need to clarify what you meant by this. People with blue badges do not need further qualification to park in p and c spaces. They are disabled. If you do not have a blue badge you should not be parking in blue badge spaces, regardless of your pain. I'd have no issue with you using a p and c space. Sorry you're having a tough time, but no reasonable person says a disabled person with a blue badge shouldn't be allowed to park wherever they can find a space.

PurpleDaisies · 09/06/2016 19:09

It sound terrible that you're lumping together "lazy shit bags" and "blue badge holders without children".

EveryoneElsie · 09/06/2016 19:11

If you are entitled to a blue badge then just claim one. No one i expected to know you need a parking spot with extra space or near the doors if you dont have one.

LittleMissBossyBoots · 09/06/2016 19:17

I'm a lazy shit bag and disabled so I'll use the p&c spaces whenever I need to even if I don't have kids with me. Suck it up!

BishopBrennansArse · 09/06/2016 19:49

I'll see your lazy shit bag and disabled with lazy shit bag, disabled blue badge holder with 2 kids with blue badges.

So I'll park anywhere. Hell I'll DRIVE round Sainsbos if I want.

Nyer.

GrinWink

LittleMissBossyBoots · 09/06/2016 19:59

Was this you Bishop? It was wasn't it.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/car-crashes-through-sainsburys-stores-6421164

BishopBrennansArse · 09/06/2016 20:00

Oh look. I have respite and am visiting the cinema with DH. Only we can't get parked because of the micra sat waiting to collect from Pizza Hut.

They'll delay the film for me, won't they?

BishopBrennansArse · 09/06/2016 20:03

Oh and where they're renovating the cinema they have two skips taking up two blue badge bays.

ScrewyMcScrewup · 09/06/2016 20:03

BishopBrennansArse Block them in and enjoy your movie. They can eat their pizza while they wait.

sodorisland · 09/06/2016 20:09

Yanbu my sons waiting on his blue badge coming and even we won't park in one until it does.

Kanga59 · 09/06/2016 20:16

excuses I have heard already, just this week, when i ask sxhool parents why they are in the disabled space when there is only 1, and 3 blue badge holders as it is...

I'm only parked on this half of it. the rest is free

you're leaving now anyway, aren't you

I'm late!!