To think England is too crowded

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In my town on the South coast it really is chaos and getting worse all the time. Roads are a nightmare. There are never enough school places despite doubling the entry in all primaries. Soaring rents. Building sites all over.

AIBU to mind?
What's it like where you are?

when of course people still lived in slum conditions with whole families commonly occupying one or two rooms, no bathrooms and squalid conditions

people are living like that now.

It's true, tiggy, when you take population/sqkm into account. "London" has become geographically bigger and, as it runs out of places to expand into, is no becoming more crowded.

Elizabethan London was grotesquely crowded and Victorian London was pretty disgusting - that's when "London" started expanding into rural areas like Lambeth, Deptford, Brompton and Paddington.

1806 map

Seriously - did someone say that you can see endless fields from a plane?

Yeah, them bastard fields sitting about doing nothing, just waiting to be built on.

Surely some of the schooling problems are down to poor planning, the local authority/government can see from the birth records where there are boom years . All of those children in 5 years time will need school places so surely a plan needs to put into place instead of allowing the problem to get worse?

Yes yabu

Yes. Who needs shitey old fields when you can have lovely lovely infrastructure.

More horses, sheep and cattle where I live than people.

Tiggy round london too. Its causing problem for neighbours, its horrendous for the tennants and the only one benefiting is slum landlords.

I agree OP.

Had lunch with some friends today, had a conversation about how much more crowded the roads are now than 10 years ago. We're south east too.

It makes me gloomy .

Thanks Through.

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Yes, I did. Because I can't consider a country to be 'overcrowded' when it looks very empty when you look at it from an angle other than on the street of a city

Logging off now. Most of you are more accepting of change than me I guess. Thanks for listening to my lament anyway.

salene

Clachnaben?

I live on the south coast

Not a problem with school places as far as i am aware

Roads are a nightmare, parking etc

Not enough doctors either so it takes ages to get a routine apoinment

They keep building more and more houses without the infrastructure to support them

Thousands of houses are planned

More people own more than one car now. I am 40, and my mum learnt to drive when I was 7. The housing estate I live on had drive spaces for one car because it was rare for people to have more than one car in the family then. One of our neighbours (I still live in the same area) has six cars for a three bedroom house. A big problem is the second home thing, young people being priced out of being able to live in the area they grew up in and empty housing. The government need to sort out these things. The travel infrastructure if you are not in a large town or city is tragic. One bus an hour here if you are lucky, and we are in a large village.

In terms of population density of cities London although it may feel crowded to some is only 43rd in the world and far behind no 1 - even for Europe it's not the most crowded.
www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html

I remember hearing about this Michael Gove fellow - think he has been on news recently he blocked schools being built and also blocked random stuff like making it mandatory for schools to escalate reports of sex abuse, but anyway he shouldn't' be a worry........

This one is from last year and the figure of 5491 is still not that crowded by international figures www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31056626
And we must remember that just applies to London most of the rest of England and the rest of the UK is really not that densely populated (I'm currently looking out the window at our 1.5acre plot which has 4 of us living on it and we have one of the smaller gardens in our road - rural NE)
The problems of under resourced communities are often confused with overcrowding. We often don't fund our services and infrastructure in a particularly joined up way and so at the moment with big funding cuts to health budgets and pissing about with the planning system so it actually makes it much harder for service providers and LAs to actually plan what is needed, it means that there are acute problems with services in many areas that people mistake for overcrowding, rather than under provision.

Yes, we aren't the most population dense country in the world (or Europe) but we're definitely quite high up. Just because you can physically cram more people in doesn't mean it's a good idea, and makes us very reliant on importing food etc.

I really thought we were getting past all this "you have concerns about mass immigration so your a big bloody racist" shit by now.

Yes op, the country is full to bursting, thanks to labour importing voters and "rubbing the rights nose in diversity"

Yeeoooo, by your use of quotation marks I can't figure out if you approve of/agree with/like/dislike that quotation.

The quotation marks are there because it's an actual quote from the labour party.