To not miss Gordon Brown

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He mismanaged the economy, claimed he had eliminated boom and bust, said he would spend his way out of recession by borrowing more money. The list goes on.

He's now back to tell us not to vote out..

Do you really think people will believe this propaganda? We know the facts about the economic crash.

The banks demanded to be bailed out then refused to pay the money back, while at the same time giving themselves even more in bonuses the next year. Have you forgotten that bit?

Over six years after Brown left office, you really can't blame him for the fact that our economy isn't in recovery.

The myth that GB randomly flogged off the gold persists. The economics behind the decision were sound. Very sound and was a successful bid to save the banking system which owed more than it had. Selling the gold cheaply and signalling that in advance allowed the banks to reduce their debts and stay viable.
There was a piece in the Telegraph who don't usually have anything nice to say about him, expanding on this.

I think history will remember Brown with more positivity than he is generally received now.

I keep going backwards and forwards on the referendum but have come to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that the conservative party are hedging their bets over the issue. I think we're seeing the line up of candidates that will run for PM afterwards depending on how the referendum goes. If we vote leave I think Gove as PM could be a real possibility. Blair and Cameron have been bad enough; I think Gove would be even worse. So I'm back in the remain zone. I'll probably change my mind again tomorrow though or later today.

Oh please, the man was a buffoon borrowing on the never-never. Even a child knows you can't sped more than you have.

As for not seeing the crash coming? Ahahahjajajajaja it was fucking obvious from the early 2000's - a man in charge of the economy should've had the tiniest inkling.

If we vote leave I think Gove as PM could be a real possibility. Blair and Cameron have been bad enough; I think Gove would be even worse

Oh god just that statement alone should strike the fear in to the hearts of any one undecided can you imagine a world with Gove prime minister and Johnson in the cabinate and as Is a rather large possiablity Trump as president of the States.
That is not a world I want to live in. We can't do anything about the American presidency but Gove and Johnson would be absolutely disastrous for the UK and world trade.

Gove prime minister and Johnson in the cabinate

No way. Boris would never play second fiddle to Gove. He wants the top job and will kill to get it.

Interesting Hildur. I take it you took a large short position on subprime and on Lehmans and netted yourself a few billion as it was so obvious?

As for the gold comment, who's staking their house on gold being at 1200 or 600 by the end of the year? No? Because you've got no idea. And nor has anyone else. So it's easy to slag off someone else's decision but only in hindsight. The gold was sold for the very valid reason that it's not a productive asset and it's a misallocation of resources for the state to hold gold instead of investing in productive assets.

Eh? So you want us to crash like our European neighbours just so we can recover??? So if we'd crashed, he would have been a better chancellor?! And if we crash now, you think it would be Gordon's fault, even after 6 years of Osbourne at the helm?

Um. Ok.

That's true sally but atm Gove is more established as MP, Johnson may well have to bide his time a little.

But that's even worse, Johnson and Trump as two of the most powerful men in the world, the only thing worse would be Farage and Trump.

Also on the flippant side I wouldn't hold an outside press conference on breezy day if both Trump and Johnson got the jobs they desire, the hair.

Thankfully we can vote out the Tories at the next election. I think they got in because of people voting Tory as a one-off, them being the only party offering a referendum on the EU. We can't vote out the five EU presidents or the unelected Commission.

No, I wasn't missing Gordon Brown, or Tony Blair, or John Major etc. It's getting pretty dull seeing them all wheeled out to try to scare us into staying. I'm on the Leave side and for me, the main reason is democracy and our laws being made in this country, by people we can vote out.

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If you're going to base your decision about the EU referendum on personalities, then the remain camp wins hands down.

The Remain side - Osborne, Cameron, Juncker, Merkel, Hollande, Ed Balls, Nicky Morgan, John Major, Tony Blair, and large corporations? I'm not inspired by any of them.

The Remainers in the Tory party are tending to be more "establishment" than those who support Leave. I don't agree with Gove on everything, but he described there being so many Old Etonians at the top of the coalition government as "ridiculous. I don't know where you can find a similar situation in any other developed economy."

Johnson may have career ambitions but equally, presumably so does Osborne, and obviously Cameron did/does! There would have to be a contest and perhaps there could be surprise contenders such as Liam Fox or Priti Patel.

Johnson was in favour of staying in not long ago. You have to look long and hard to find anyone in the Remain camp who is guilty of such a blatantly cynical turn-round as his. And of course you're omitting from your list an awful lot of people who on any interpretation know what they're talking about. No surprises there

What molyholy said.

He was told to rein in at his office as he was bawling at the female staff.

He bullied and pilloried an elderly lady as a racist and then bawled our his PA for letting him cross her path.

Vile mysogynistic bully

The overwhelming stupidity of the majority of the electorate who believe a particular politician or immigrants or poor people are to blame for the economic crisis just baffles and angers me.

How about, before you berate "the overwhelming stupidity" of people, you read what the OP actually said? She didn't say he caused, or was to blame for the economic crisis, but that he mismanaged the economy. Not quite the same thing.

But that's even worse, Johnson and Trump as two of the most powerful men in the world, the only thing worse would be Farage and Trump

Except that no future PM will ever be one of the most powerful men in the world. Our days of power are over. The combination of powerful men that we should all be terrified of is Trump and Putin. Both of them belligerent, power-crazed individuals, and neither of them prepared to lose face. .

I think they got in because of people voting Tory as a one-off
Only it's their second term therefore er not a one off! Ok their first term was part of a coalision but they were still the majority party!

If you listen to Johnson on the day he announced he was supporting Leave he contradicts himself in the speech he's clearly actually in favour of staying but leave advances his campaign.

So Tony Blair wasn't one of the most powerful men in the world then Sally? It was the Russian president Bush turned to back daddy's war in Iraq was it? Oh wait no it was the prime minster of Britain!

Gordon Brown was and is a good man- vilified by the Press.

Gordon Brown was and is a good man

Doesn't mean he was a good PM.

You have to look long and hard to find anyone in the Remain camp who is guilty of such a blatantly cynical turn-round as his.

What about Cameron and his suggestion that we should stay in a "reformed" EU, and then the "reformed" was quietly dropped as the EU is rather unreformable? The unkept promises of the Conservative Manifesto 2015? Cameron pretending that he could still back Leave, while working on plans to contact FTSE500 companies to ask them to support "Remain" here?

Brown warned us way before the crash happened, it was certainly dinner party convo by 2004. He hadn't missed it