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AIBU to not want BIL staying here?

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ijustdontknowanymore · 23/05/2016 20:03

This is my first post and feeling a bit sensitive so please be kind.

This is quite a long story but here goes .... My DH & I are in our late 20s/early 30s. DH has a much younger half brother who is in his early 20s, who moved to the same city as us last last year to go to uni. DH's family live in another country.

BIL has been experiencing some quite serious issues with anxiety and depression, and has been staying with us for the last 6 weeks so that we can try to support him as best as we can. He can become very anxious and has panic attacks which are terrifying to witness, and occasionally has been angry. There's been very little support from the NHS, despite a history of the same illness and the only counselling they can offer is in 12 weeks time and will only be for 6 weeks. He has been seeing his GP regularly but counselling is really the only option.

DH is due to leave next week for a 12 week overseas job in a very dangerous country, which I'm absolutely dreading. BIL has now finished uni for the summer, and I think it would be sensible if he went back to his home country where there is better access to private healthcare and he could be with his family. At the moment he won't commit to any kind of plan for the future, and won't discuss going back to his home country. To be honest I don't think that I can cope with being the only person he has to rely on here when he has a bad turn. I'm working a fairly full on job (which I've had to leave a couple of times to support BIL), and without my husband here it is just too much strain. I grew up in a very volatile family and never knowing what I'm going to come home to is bringing back some fairly painful emotions.

DH and his family are anxious to avoid putting any pressure on BIL as to what he is going to do, which I understand, but AIBU to want them to consider it from my POV?

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DoinItFine · 25/05/2016 00:55

It does bode really badly for the future.

Your husband and his family are not even treating you as a person.

He apparently can't even "make" his brother leave his home, but he can try to force you into being a fUllapool time carer for a seriously unwell man.

Either they are worried about BIL, in which case he can't be left alone with you, or they are not in which case they can tell him he needs to find alternative living arrangements.

You have your own life to lead and your own job to do.

You are not this man's carer and it is insane for him to be living in your home on a permanent basis.

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emotionsecho · 25/05/2016 01:11

Your dh says he can't make bil do anything he doesn't want to do but he thinks he can make you do something you don't want to and more importantly can't do.

How dare your dh and mil unilaterally decide that bil would be staying with you for the foreseeable future without asking or consulting you.

It's your home as much as your dh, you both have a say on who stays and for how long.

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Janecc · 25/05/2016 05:18

I can see that other posters are getting cross on your behalf. I think this is more of a really sad situation. I believe your husband is desperately out of his depth. I don't think he sees it in terms of not being able to force bil but willing to force you. Stand firm. You are doing really well. This doesn't have to mean any end to your relationship or a bad future. Once bil has gone and the two of you have some space, things will likely settle. The twelve week break will probably do you both a lot of good. Flowers

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AHellOfABird · 25/05/2016 07:13

OP

Don't despair, I think your DH is beginning to understand that the status quo is not an option. I hope he will apologise in due course for his behaviour.

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BillSykesDog · 25/05/2016 07:48

Wow. What a shame it's deteriorated OP. I definitely think you're doing the right thing and have behaved reasonably. And no, it doesn't bode well.

What on earth are they thinking? Saying that he's too ill to be left alone but then leaving him where he will be alone for long periods? It's just madness.

I think you're doing the right thing moving out. Also, if he is so sick he shouldn't be left alone you might want to contact adult social services to let them know he is vulnerable and alone.

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ScarletForYa · 25/05/2016 07:57

I'd leave. No way is this acceptable. Your husband thinks that he can just impose his brother on you and you'll just obediently be his carer!

No fucking way would I stand for that. The absolute cheek of him.

I'd leave and file for divorce.

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AHellOfABird · 25/05/2016 08:01

Agree that the H is behaving badly but he is in the middle of an acutre and difficult situation. I suspect he took BIL in thinking it would be a few days.

He is wrong to try and avoid it but hopefully he will see that and apologise in the near future.

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TizzyTime · 25/05/2016 08:04

Ask your BIL to leave. It should be your DH who asks, but he is clearly struggling.

Say to BIL, This is my home and you have been welcome in it, but I cannot have you here. You'll need to leave in 24hrs. That doesn't mean you have to go to X city, it just means you can't stay here.

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665TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 25/05/2016 08:18

You need to drop the rope
You are obviously a caring and compassionate person to have him in your home for so long
But his moe immediate support network have now assumed that you are responsible for your BIL, and have all conveniently stepped away to serve their own interests. So you are the one..well ...left holding the rope.
Whatever his mental state it is not your problem first..it is his immediate families.
Once you have clearly stated that you can't cope,( and you have clearly done that ! )
Anything from them, and.. on here..trying to tell you that not coping is your problem, or your personal inadequacy ...is unacceptable. The onus is not on you to cope better, or manage this problem - unless you choose to. And trying to force you to do this is bullying.
You are quite right to consider time away from them, simply to force them to accept the responsibilities for what they perceive you BIL requires at this time

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ExtraHotLatteToGo · 25/05/2016 08:34

No, it doesn't bode well for the future. Although it's hard, it's still better seeing what your husband is like sooner, rather than later, when you already have children.

If it were me (now, with a lot more life experience - rather than when I was your age with considerably less (I put up eith way too much shit then)), I'd leave him. Honestly I would. Life is hard enough with a partner who has your back.

He's shown you where you are on his list of priorities and instead of wanting to get this situation sorted before he goes away for 12 weeks, he's told you to stop 'moaning' and spoiling the time before he goes away.

He moved his brother in without discussing it with you.
He ignored the fact that you work from home as well as live there.
He's put you under immense pressure 24/7

He's prepared to leave you to deal with his brother if his brother doesn't decide for himself to go back home. WTAF. Honestly, why would you stay with someone who thinks your needs are so totally unimportant?

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ExtraHotLatteToGo · 25/05/2016 08:36

Oh & no, I would NOT be moving out of my home. BIL would be. Whether they sorted it or I had to.

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mamas12 · 25/05/2016 08:36

I have great sympathy with your situation, I have sort of been in a similar place.
No one in the immediate family want to upset the apple cart as that has become e the norm, so do what I did and sort it myself
Can you contact his medical team and explain The situation, if he doesn't have a team then take him to the doctors yourself.
Be proactive yourself
I know that when I took the reins, the family didn't like it bu t they werent have relieved when it was sorted.
Your bil will go through it, but it sounds as if he will have a reaction to anything so if you put the proper support in place then he will only benefit.
So shall you and therefore your marriage
Good luck

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AugustaFinkNottle · 25/05/2016 08:38

DH told me I'm putting pressure on him in an already immensely difficult situation, he can't make BIL do anything he doesn't want to and effectively I'm making it worse

He needs to realise that he is putting massive pressure on you, in a situation where he proposes to disappear for 12 weeks, and that that is massively unfair and potentially harmful to you. And I think he can make his brother do something: he can very firmly tell him that he is going back home, and sort out with his mother that someone will collect him. He will probably be relieved that someone has made a decision for him.

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ohtheholidays · 25/05/2016 08:42

Oh OP you both sound like your under so much pressure which is not fair on either of you.

I think going and staying with a friend or family member of yours for a night would be a good idea.I know your DH is obviously worried sick but so are you and the pair of you can't take all this extra worry on your shoulders.

One year in this should be the honeymoon period for you both,not feeling like your parents of someone that had MH problems whilst living in a building site.

As hard as it is I think your DH needs to tell the rest of his family very buntly that this could cause him the loss of his marriage and depression for both of you.

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PoppieD · 25/05/2016 08:44

Am really sorry to sound like a voice of doom here, but are any of the family taking into account how BIL could react to H leaving for 12 weeks? I would be concerned that this could trigger more issues and you CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be left with dealing with this as his carer. Please as pp have advised get some help/support from professionals and try to not take any of the obligation and guilt on, if you are 'good enough' to be left for 12 weeks as main carer, then you should be able to seek the adequate support for this. Not that I think at all you should be left in this role and am so angry for you!

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WellErrr · 25/05/2016 08:46

Would he happily look after your sister single handedly if the situation were reversed?

And more to the point, would you expect him to?

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timelytess · 25/05/2016 09:11

This is ridiculous.
Where are his family from, that they expect such?
Firstly, you are a one-year bride. You are not a mother to adult children. It is entirely inappropriate to make you live in a house with an adult male who is not your husband - inappropriate, indecent, possibly unsafe for you. Had you been an older woman who could take a maternal role towards him, I could have understood it. But forcing you to be alone with him, and for such a long time, is just asking for trouble. At the very least, you would not be able to relax in your own home at the end of your working day. I would not want this for a daughter of mine.
Secondly, you are working full time. You cannot be his sole-carer. It is too much to expect.

Your BIL has been given priority over you by your DH and his family. I can understand that the family are used to making decisions and that your DH is used to doing as he is told - but this is your life we are considering here, and they are putting you in the position of a slave. You work, you run a house, you care for an invalid... and now you are being left with sole responsibility for him.
If this is an actual situation (sorry, MNer for a long time and on one 'false' thread already this week) I am concerned about the complete disregard your DH and his family have for your wellbeing, and also concerned that they are leaving you in a very vulnerable position.

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TimeIhadaNameChange · 25/05/2016 09:36

OP I really feel for you. It is not fair that you have been put in this position.

If your ILs won't take responsibility and sort this out than I'd move into a hotel for the next 12 weeks and send them the bill. You say the house is in chaos, which I presume it wouldn't be if BIL weren't there (or, at least, not to the same extent) and you can't relax in your own home with him there anyway.

It's not fair that you are, in effect, being turfed out of your own home but as I see it, you might as well be somewhere comfortable for the next three months.

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Janecc · 25/05/2016 11:56

Latte I agree op shouldn't have to move out. However, in this case, I suggested it to create a boundary and refuse to be bils carer. For even if he op/dh sets him up elsewhere, he will likely hound op once dh has gone overseas as she will be the only relative (albeit by marriage) in the country.

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Dowser · 25/05/2016 12:42

Right it goes like this

DH you were up till gone midnight the other night trying to calm down your brother. As you are going away for 12 weeks, is that what I am meant to be doing every night while you are away because you need to know I'm not doing it.

I signed up to be your wife, not your brother's carer.

As much as I care for him, I am not prepared to be the carer for him.

I want you to book his flight home before you go away and see he gets on it. Otherwise I won't be here when you get back.
He's been here for six weeks and nothing has changed. There's been no improvement with him. Do you really want that for me while you are away.

What happens if he harms himself . Do you want me to have tocome home and have to deal with that.

I make no apologies for being blunt but this situation is intolerable and I think deep down you know that.

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ijustdontknowanymore · 25/05/2016 12:56

Janecc I agree, BIL has his own accommodation in our city, but he's not well enough to be by himself, so if he goes to live there he will be unable to cope and I will be the only person he has to support him in this city. I'm not an awful person, I really want him to get better and get the help that he needs, which I know he's not getting/won't get by staying with us.

DH and I had the worst argument we've ever had this morning, actually screaming at each other. I told him that he has to tell BIL to go back to home city and he cannot stay with us. DH says this will push him over the edge because he will feel rejected, and that his issues stem from rejection so this is the worst possible thing we could do. I said that I will leave home and not come back until BIL has gone, and he's now contacted MIL who says she understands that BIL staying here is no longer an option and she will speak to him. Whether anything actually comes of it who knows? I don't think they're trying to foist this on me deliberately, just lost and confused themselves and the status quo isn't rocking the apple cart with BIL.

I feel awful and guilty for potentially making my BIL feel any worse than he already does, he's a great guy and I'm fond of him but it's unworkable for him to stay. TBH I'm now also worried about my relationship with DH than anything else, if we can't work this out without falling apart then what on earth will it be like when we have kids?

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emotionsecho · 25/05/2016 13:13

ijust can your dh not see that you are unable to give his brother the care and support he needs which will have a seriously negative impact on him?

Can your dh not understand that you did not sign up to be your BIL's carer, you are not qualified for this role and it was foisted on you without any consideration for your own mental well being?

As another pp said does your dh seriously think that you should be doing for your BIL what he did last night, every single night for the next 12 weeks? What about you, your life and your work?

Does your dh want to be called back from his 12 week placement to find both his wife and his brother in a debilitating mental state? Which one of you will he prioritise then?

Don't feel guilty none of this is of your making.

Your dh needs to have a long hard think as to what his priorities are.

Your MIL needs to do more than just speak to BIL, she needs to make arrangements to come and collect him and take him back with her or to move into BIL's own accommodation with him until alternative arrangements can be made.

Please do not just wait to see what happens and be fobbed off with excuses such as "we can't come over right now, if you could just look after him for a couple of weeks we'll sort it out" because they won't sort it, they will just let it drag on and leave you to it. Please, please make sure that your BIL is either back with his parents or one of them is with him in his own place before your dh leaves next week.

Your relationship with your dh has inevitably taken a knock because of this, perhaps the 12 weeks away will give you both time to consider what's happened and you can talk about it and decide where you go from here once he is back.

I'll repeat again just so you don't forget - this is not your fault, this is not of your making, you have nothing to feel guilty about.Flowers

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ijustdontknowanymore · 25/05/2016 13:19

Thanks Dowser, that is a good message and you've just broken down step by step exactly what I feel. I am going to send it to DH.

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Janecc · 25/05/2016 13:19

For your marriage: Time will heal. You both have 12 weeks of absence and making sense of the situation.

You did a wonderful thing today not just for yourself and your marriage but also for your bil. You should not be feeling guilty. You are the only one brave enough to admit that he cannot get better either with you or with your dh. They have been tiptoeing around him when in fact someone needs to take charge. The ill and unstable part of your bil will tell you that you have done an awful thing. When he is well, things will be different. Whatever happens now, you have done your best. You are a strong woman. Flowers

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AugustaFinkNottle · 25/05/2016 13:47

I think you could reasonably also point out in your message to your DH that you can't keep coming home from work to deal with BiL's emergencies, not least because you will lose your job.

He has a family and access to somewhere with better healthcare. Surely it's a no-brainer that the family takes over?

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