Because I don't know what the fuck to eat anymore!

[MissusWrex]

I'm almost ready to give up.

It's in the news today that a high carb low fat diet is bad for you and that a high fat low carb diet is the way to go with lots of protein.

Though not too much red meat according to the stories a few months ago.

I suppose you could have eggs? Are they bad or good I can't bloody keep up anymore!

I know I know. The advice I should listen to is to just have a healthy balanced diet but I've never had that. I had a terrible diet growing up and still have a very poor relationship with food.

So asking me to just follow a 'healthy balanced diet' is the equivalent of asking me to build a rocket to Mars using only the contents of my bin.

Ive tried to research what exactly constitutes a healthy diet but there is so much contradiction...

I've a few stone left to lose but have been following the low fat high carb route ( no low fat or sugar foods though, I cook from scratch as often as I can)

Will someone more knowledge my that me just tell me what's good and what isn't in a easy to understand format that won't change tomorrow.

Is that too much to ask?!

Either low or full fat yogurt is good, but the full fat one might help someone feel full and not have hunger pangs.

If getting hungry makes it difficult to not reach for a biscuit etc, then maybe switching to some full fat would help.

I haven't rtft so apologies if I am repeating but the best summary is:

Eat food
Mostly plants
Not too much

What about full fat flavoured yoghurt? I dont like plain yoghurt.

Agree about the speed and targets at groups like Slimming World. My consultant gave me a funny look when I said I didnt want to lose weight too quick (I had lost half a stone in my first 2 weeks)

Really Im just happy as long as it goes down. half to 1 lb a week would do me. At SW the emphasis is as much as possible. Im not convinced that's healthy.

I want to quit sugar (or at least only have sugary things on rare occasions like birthday cake or something), but really scared I wont be able to do it. Maybe cut one thing out at a time.

DrHarleen
What about full fat flavoured yoghurt?
It could have a lot of sugar of some kind in it. Then that can make you want more sugar and it is more fattening too.

Mashed in berries/chopped apple can make it very nice and then it is not as sweet as the commercial brands but still flavoured and has fibre in.

Mashed in berries/chopped apple can make it very nice
The first time I had overnight oats I used a natural yoghurt with berries. It was vile.

Full fat greek yoghurt makes anything taste nice, It's hard to get though - most places seem to stock 'Total 0'.

Dr Harleen you are absolutely right Its not healthy......

Copied and pasted my post from elsewhere.

When i lost 10 stone (before the 4 stone regain and subsequent loss) i developed gall bladder disease (now before anyone starts 2 doctors and my surgeon told me it was due to losing weight too fast. In fact they asked me Slimming World or Weight Watchers? The surgeon was very kind to me and when i made a private appointment to see him after being told i would have to live with frequent gallstone pain for another YEAR everytime i ate SOLID food not fatty food because id already lost the weight remember ....but SOLID food....the surgeon did however say to me that he wished he could use me as an example to his other patients who wouldnt believe him that heartburn is affected by weight.
Re. the gallstones he was appalled that i should have to wait a year after making all that effort .....

5 weeks later i was on his operating table under the NHS!
Add message | Report | Message poster HelenaDove Sat 02-Apr-16 23:16:07
Before that operation i had spent months having intermittent attacks where i was rolling around on the floor or the bed in excrutiating pain every time i ate solid food. I was living on slim a soups and water biscuits and tinned salmon
while trying to hold down a ten hour a night job in a sex chatline office running from room to room answering different phones.

Every time i had a very severe attack i would have the emergency on call GP come out and give me a morphine injection. The neighbours actually said they could hear me screaming. On Xmas Eve 2002 the doc had to come out for the same reason... and on Xmas Day i couldnt stand up My legs kept giving way and i had to be taken to hospital where i was kept under observation until the morphine wore off.

A later attack came at work DH had to come and pick me up help me into the car and take me to a little local hospital where a camp and v. funny doctor who would have made me laugh if i hadnt been in so much pain gave me a box of morphine pills and told me to put one under my tongue when i felt an attack coming on.

Prior to the morphine injections i had been given tramadol which did fuck all to stop the pain and i got so desperate i was taking 2 of them an hour later 2 paracetamol then nurofen anything to stop the pain.

To this day i owe my thanks to the surgeon who did my op and the doc at the local hosp who gave me those pills.

Apologies to those who have seen that post a few hundred times.

I lost 7 stone in 9 months on Atkins in 2005, went from an 18 stone size 26 to 11 stone and a size 12.

I'm currently 15 stone and a size 18. damn happy second marriage

Went back to Atkins last weekend. I haven't weighed but I'm in ketosis and things feel better to wear. Will weigh each month as I don't obsess over the scales too much.

Thanks for sharing that Helena Ive not seen your story before. All that was due to losing weight too fast too.

The more I think about Slimming World the more I think how bad it really is for you. All the rushing to lose as much weight as possible (Even if someone loses a pound its "oh well its still a loss" as though losing 1lb is not good enough) the promoting certain foods at you (hi-fi, Mullerlights, Mug shots etc) Yes its worked for me to lose just over a stone, but I think I need to look elsewhere for more weightloss. I still have another stone or so to lose. I think quitting sugar will be the way for me, its just knowing where to start. Apart from the obvious. I know its the thing that I need to cut out (well down a lot) but its not going to be easy.

*Note to say Im talking about Slimming World as that is the plan I have followed and I have experience with. I (maybe wrongly) assume that other plans such as weight watchers are very similar

DrHarleen
I think quitting sugar will be the way for me, its just knowing where to start. Apart from the obvious. I know its the thing that I need to cut out (well down a lot) but its not going to be easy

I think it will get easier bit by bit. After you get used to non sugar/much less sugar foods you get so you hate it when there is too much.

It might help though not to make sugar taboo.

In my opinion, it helps to have a protein and vegetable meal and then, if you really want it a little of something sweet,. As it has been balanced by the protein and fibre in the meal it does lead to a crash and wanting more soon after.

On the other hand it would help to avoid say a sweet bar as a snack on its on as that could make you want more.

You said you don't like berries, but a small apple or tangerine is sweet without having as much sugar as a chocolate bar. With a few nuts it is balanced with protein and then there is the fibre of both to help you feel full.

Helene
I am sorry that all sounds so horrible for you.

I am a bit confused about what caused your gallstones exactly.
Was it losing weight quickly? Or, was it what you ate to do that?

That sounds so scary, helene - makes me a bit freaked, as I lost a bunch of weight very fast last year (not on purpose). I did have a CT scan which was normal - that would have noticed galstones, right? What is galbladder disease? They've been doing tests up the wazzo (literally, at times) and found nothing other than an excess of bile. But that's involved in the galbladder, right? Worried at the moment as the last test they did required me to fast and I've been having trouble eating since then, and worried it will all start again (I don't have 6 stone to lose to this time...).

No I meant I didn't like natural yoghurt when I was wondering if full fat flavoured yoghurt was ok. I like berries. Don't like nuts though.

Doctors and a surgeon told me it was due to losing weight too fast. Which is why im so opposed to it now.

murmur gallstones is excrutiatingly painful. You would definately know if you had it. The first time it happened i thought it was a heart attack.

The pain is in the chest back shoulders all the way down the spine stomach and across the small of the back. All over the torso basically.

Helena
Doctors and a surgeon told me it was due to losing weight too fast. Which is why im so opposed to it now

I had never heard of that before. It's terrible that there are not more warnings about very fast weight loss isn't it? What you went through sounds excruciating

I had heard that gradual weight loss was generally supposed to be better for a long term outcome though.

Thanks, helena. Although I must say that doesn't completely reassure me - I was googling 'heart attack symptoms' in the middle of the night this winter :( Didn't match that, but doesn't quite match your description either, my pain has been upper left ribcage and across the lower abdomen, not all over. It all went away until this last test, though.

Kind Dogs you do have something there Over the past two Christmases the fast losers in my class put on between 9 pounds and a stone. Those 2 times i only put on 3 and a half pounds and 2 and a half pounds in the whole of December.

murmer that sounds bloody horrible

It sounds as though perhaps you have genuinely changed your eating habits to being naturally more balanced rather than just a forced diet Helena.

It is good you are OK now.