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Is it REALLY DD? Another day another incident :( Sorry Long

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sockrage · 21/05/2016 05:39

I am starting to get cross now tbh.

DD has some learning issues and I will admit she is oversensitive. She struggles socially a lot and does not particularly like other kids. She is very quiet at school mostly and not one to get in trouble. She suffered from bullying at primary and was a nightmare for not reporting it. She had a good group of girls in her class who did luckily.

Now in secondary.

I have posted about this before. DD was the victim of a very serious incident resulting in the expulsion of a pupil in March.

Last week she again reported a fairly serious incident in which she was called an awful name and punched in the ribs and breast. She had a mark on her ribs and missed her martial arts lesson on Saturday because it 'hurt when she breathed in'. She LOVES this lesson and would not miss it out of choice.

I sent a note in to school about it. The boy has some needs and dd actually really likes him so I would be very surprised (and it is out of character) if she would make up an incident about him, in the past dd has been protective of this child.

School rang yesterday. Basically they say that there is always root of dds complaints but that she 'sees things differently to what has happened' They said that they did witness the child being inappropriate in class, they did witness him play fighting, they did tell the other children off for running away from him because he was trying to play fight them BUT they did not see him hit her (even though he WAS seen hitting out) and have basically discredited her.

There was a further incident in which the child was told off from snatching from dd and went on to call dd a nasty name and throw lego at her after he had been told off for the first incident but they are insinuating this did not happen either.

I spoke to school yesterday and they are giving her a book to write down incidents so that they can decide what is normal kids being kids (something I will be very honest dd struggles with) and what needs dealing with.

DD then comes home at home time and there has been another incident.
The classroom they are usually in has been used by a GCSE group. The teacher asks dd to come with her so that she can go back to tell the classroom when they find a room and leaves the other 30 kids put.
They find a classroom and dd is sent back to tell the other kids. The 'cocky' one from the other kids tells the others not to go to the classroom and just skive and say dd did not tell them and tells dd if she tells the teacher she will make sure everyone hates her and will batter her. They say it doesn't matter if dd gets in trouble as she is always good.

DD is terrified of getting in trouble so goes back to the room with a couple of the good kids and tells the teacher. The kids involved end up in detention and spend the rest of the session calling dd names. They have been in detention and now dd is frightened as they said that they will batter her and the child is twice her size.

I am just so fed up of it. DD is rock bottom, doesn't want to be in school and is now upset that she is being made out to be oversensitive and a liar and will have to miss part of her lunch every day in order to report her incident book to the teacher for the teacher to tell her she is being petty.

For the record I also had to deal with her meltdown after a member of staff showed her up in front of the class last week for the presentation of her work when she has a disability which affects this so I am feeling a bit frustrated anyway.

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dowhatnow · 21/05/2016 09:11

I would be in constant contact with the school. Insist on regular meetings. Be "that" parent. Whist they might not like it, they'll have to put something in place to get you off their backs.

MaddyHatter · 21/05/2016 09:18

you need to contact your local Parent Partnership or SEND IASS if you google them it should come up.

The school are failing her, it needs addressing, first with the SENCo and HT, and then with the Board of Governors. This is unacceptable!

RandomMess · 21/05/2016 09:42

It is not your DD, they are NOT making reasonable adjustments for her, not supporting her, not even keeping proper track of her SEN in the register.

The detail of whether she is accurately report the incidents is pretty irrelevant - the school is not doing well be any in the class by the sounds of it!

Any option to HE until a space somewhere suitable comes up?

sockrage · 21/05/2016 10:11

I could. My only concern is dds area of excel is design tech. She wants to do engineering and she is worried about falling behind in that.
If it was only till September not an issue but at the moment I am failing to find anywhere for September.

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RandomMess · 21/05/2016 10:30

There is no reason why she couldn't pick up design tech at 16 at college? In fact could she flexi school at home and then at a college for specific subjects?

TendonQueen · 21/05/2016 10:37

No suggestions but I feel for you and your DD as the school sound like they are being rubbish.

Theoscargoesto · 21/05/2016 10:49

Another who thinks the school is rubbish. All schools have to have an anti-bullying policy, and it will tell you what to do if your dd isn't being treated fairly. It's just not acceptable for them not to believe her, and fail to protect her. The policy will likely suggest that, at some stage, you take this to the governors.

sockrage · 21/05/2016 19:07

Thanks everyone. A lot to think about.
It is reassuring to know it isn't just me who thinks that it is all a bit rubbish. I just feel that because academically she is not awful and is floating in the middle they do not take her social and emotional needs seriously enough.

I did actually wonder at one point if I am honest if given I had already made a complaint which went as high as board of governors in regards to the serious incident resulting in expulsion of a pupil which they (imo obviously) communicated very badly about they weren't trying to discredit dd so that if I had taken the complaint further it looked like dd was making it further complaints up.

Only I think that is just because I am feeling so untrusting of them.

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Janecc · 21/05/2016 19:09

So the school has got form with being shit with DD. Hmm

sockrage · 21/05/2016 19:17

sorry terrible grammar there.

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RandomMess · 21/05/2016 19:48

Lost me a bit there, you think they tried to discredit your DD as much as possible previously in case you took that complaint further?

sockrage · 21/05/2016 21:04

Sorry it was terribly written.

What I meant is because I had already made a complaint which went as far as the head and governors and which they seemed a bit off about it did cross my mind if the down play of further incidents as 'dd sees things differently to what has happened' was to make me doubt dd and therefore put me off making further complaints to them about how they were supporting dd.

I don't actually think they are now, I just think I was over thinking it because I am so damn fed up of seeing dd lay in the hall screaming and in meltdown or crying because she does not want to go to school.

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Janecc · 21/05/2016 22:01

Hence my comment they've got form for downplaying events. The last event was one, which was taken to the governors and resulted in expulsion of another child.

Perhaps they aren't specifically trying to cloud your judgement but they're sure as hell doing a bad job for that assumption to factor in
Even if you have now changed your mind. I'm Angry for your DD.

RandomMess · 21/05/2016 22:08

Where is the SENCO in all of this btw?

sockrage · 22/05/2016 08:17

Ok in regards to senco.

Dd in primary was on school action plus and iep. Then in year six she got a teacher who didn't believe in IEPs and removed dds.

This made me a bit Hmm at first but actually resulted in intensive help and massive progress for dd although it did mean that she went up to secondary not on iep but still on school action plus.

When she started secondary she went on a pre taster for sen pupils. I met then with senco.

The only time I have seen in the almost two years since then is when I have sought her out. I did manager to figure out her email from the school system so I do email and she does sort it immediately.

is in a 1700 place school with masses of children with sen issues and a seemingly very small team. There are children with complex needs and I do think again dd who is a middle group floater is missed because she is 'managing' (actually she isn't and there are huge meltdowns at home relating to school anxiety)

An example of this was they decided dd needed academic mentoring. It is meant to be their form teachers who do this but dd was assigned senco. All the other kids involved started theirs in April last year. Come June dd hadn't started hers. I chased up twice. Second time I was told that it had been assigned to senco but she hadn't had time to do it due to exams period starting but definately would.

In September dd still hadn't started and I recieved a letter saying she had done so good at the mentoring she didn't need to carry on. Confused

Basically she had made slight progress in the end of the year exams and they had decided as they hadn't started not to bother.

She was also initially refused use of the main sen room. She was allowed use of the back one which was for kids who don't like being on yard but invaded with kids who didn't want to be out in the cold and limited numbers so she wasn't guaranteed a place but initially told no to being allowed to use the proper sen room so had been turned away and left on the yard alone at times when it was full despite having sensory issues and hating the noise and busy place Sad

We sorted this but then they had an end of year sen trip where they took all kids with sen including those with dyslexia etc who didn't need to use the sen room at lunch but did extra help during lessons. Dd at that point was recieving no academic help just social/emotional and the mentoring they were failing to do.

So they took every child in the lower years who used the sen room BAR her.
Dd was very upset. When she asked why she was told it was because she would miss three days for an optional trip with school and so couldn't because it would mean too many lessons missed.

We later found out that there WERE other kids who went on the residential trip also went on the sen trip Angry

I understand it may have been a funding issue but they left a child with sen and low self esteem who was feeling isolated behind!! I would have paid had it been an issue.

Dd was left behind in school in the sen room with the year 10s and 11s.
I won't ever forgive them for how they made her feel that day. Sad

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RandomMess · 22/05/2016 09:00

AngryAngryAngry

I think you should insist on a meeting with the SENCO I would also take someone with you to take notes - preferably independent/not emotionally involved. Actually perhaps an official email is better:

Why isn't her SEN being supported in and out of class, why aren't ALL her teachers aware of her SEN, why haven't the teachers got documentation of what her SEN means, the keys points of what they should/shouldn't be like with you DD (as it won't be obvious what your DD struggles with)

It is so the wrong school because they are failing her at every turn...

mummytime · 22/05/2016 13:09

I'd move her, sorry but the SENCO at my DC's 2000 school would fight for more resources if needed and would never fail a child like this. Sometimes you have to make a really big fuss to get your child noticed.

ApocalypseSlough · 22/05/2016 13:17

Fucking hell.
She's regularly attacked, leaving marks and they give her a book to log incidents because she sees things differently
I'd be seeing a lawyer.
Are you in or anywhere near London OP? I have no specialist knowledge but you need someone fighting your and her corner- Sen advocate/ legal educational specialist.
I'm Angry for you and her.

Beeziekn33ze · 22/05/2016 13:25

Why couldn't/didn't SENCO help re your DD being unable to stay in SEN room at breaks and being left out of residential trip? Both incidents sound so uncaring and hurtful to your poor DD.
1700 pupils, one SENCO? No wonder she's busy.
Great that your DD wants to get into engineering, hope she does!

sockrage · 22/05/2016 13:36

The senco did help when i contacted and now she has a permanent place in the sen room.

The senco was the one who took the sen trip so she knew.

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VestalVirgin · 22/05/2016 18:21

hey said that they did witness the child being inappropriate in class, they did witness him play fighting, they did tell the other children off for running away from him because he was trying to play fight them

Oo Why do they tell other children off for trying to protect themselves from his "play" fighting ... is the world "play" used here because they are children? It's not playing if one of the participants doesn't want it ...

I'd change schools if possible. This is all so very weird, how they react to children's behaviour.

Beeziekn33ze · 23/05/2016 16:04

You don't call it 'play fighting' in Y8! You call it disruptive behaviour, or aggression, or even physical abuse. The boy's TA should have taken him out of the door, with another adult if necessary.
Glad your DD now has a safe place for breaks.

sockrage · 23/05/2016 16:26

Agree Beezie.

We may have another option in September but it is not guaranteed she will get the place for this year or whether it will be next. (it is complicated! ) and while I could keep her home till Sept I cannot do another 12 months after that if she cannot start until 2017

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sockrage · 23/05/2016 16:40

Ok so update.

She has her report book.

Wsbu to write Friday incident in (search for a classroom incident) seeing form teacher doesn't know about it?

Oh and on the way home she was called a rat and had stones thrown at her by a pupil in her year. Angry

But she isn't being bullied oh no...

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Janecc · 23/05/2016 17:24

Obviously she's going to be labelled a grass if she's writing up incidents it's ridiculous. Angry

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