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To want other dog owners to restrain their dogs in public

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jonsnowssocks · 20/05/2016 11:49

While out walking my dogs this morning, we were approached by another dog whose owner was about 150m away and making little effort to call back her dog. She called once and when the dog didn't return, she left it and the dog came to play with us.

I was really worried as I knew nothing about this dog, and my older male dog will get defensive if other male dogs sniff unrestrainedly around my female dog. He's never attacked, but he can growl and jump (though I always keep him on the lead), which is hugely aggressive from my generally very placid dog. There have also been a couple of instances of my dogs being attacked, with no major injuries, though seeing your dog being pinned down and bitten is really unpleasant.

Anyway, very thankfully the dog was female and friendly and there was no trouble. I had to shout to the other owner to come and collect her dog, and she wandered over. I explained that my dog can be defensive and I would prefer if she could restrain her dog just in case, and TBH I was quite upset at this point (shaky upset not angry upset) because I had been really scared about what would happen when the other dog approached us. The owner simply said that her dog was friendly and I had no reason to worry.

So the question is, AIBU to want owners to restrain their dogs just in case there's any trouble?

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thisisbloodyridiculous · 20/05/2016 15:01

Yabu - if your dog is off the lead I would take that as a sign my dog could approach it. If it was on the lead I would recall mine and leash it too. You can't expect people to read your mind!

Godstopper · 20/05/2016 15:02

Hi Collaborate,

I think that dogs have an innate disposition, and various things can make existing issues manifest. From a puppy, Scrabble would always bark back if a dog barked at her (this is normal for Terriers), but it only really escalated into her barking/lunging/getting super-stressed after too many out of control approaches from other dogs, with one attack (not from her).

Not all dogs are resilient enough to bounce back from things, and to that extent, I don't blame her for reacting when a bad mannered dog won't leave her alone. And I certainly won't blame her if she is on-lead and another dog wants to be 'friendly'. I would lash out if cornered too. If anything were to happen because I'd let off-lead, then I'd take responsibility (it hasn't happened and I don't intend it to).

She is muzzled if, for some reason, we need to go into a high traffic dog area - though the last time this happened, a Chihuahua was hanging off the muzzle whilst the stupid owner was laughing at his 'spirited' dog. That set Scrabble back a fair bit.

We do walk in 'popular' places too, but there is always plenty of room to move off the path, and she is off-lead when it is quiet. The problems only really begin when someone cannot stop their dog from zooming across most of a field, and frankly, if you're unable to stop your dog doing that, then more training is needed.

We have also had a behaviorist out, and things dramatically improved since then. Fear-aggressive dogs don't need to be kept away from dogs at all - what they do need is to re-learn that things are o.k, and gradually increase their exposure.

jonsnowssocks · 20/05/2016 15:02

If your dog was off lead YABU.

Quite right, Booboostwo. I'd only done what I thought best in these particular circumstances, and of course with my dogs being off the lead the other owner wasn't to know that I was worried, and I'd not looked at it from that perspective.

It all transpired in a funny way, as the dog wasn't coming from the other direction, it was in a separate section off to the side where there are some caravans shielded by trees but not blocked off. I'd walked past the owner previously at a distance of about 20m and she called out a name - probably a child, I thought, and thought no more of it. A few minutes later, a dog emerged out of the trees, well over 100m from the owner and no more than 20m or so from us, and made a beeline for my dogs. I figured it was too late for the owner to catch up so best to try to minimise any stress by leaving the dogs off the lead. I then called out to the owner twice asking her to please come and collect her dog as I was worried, and then she walked over. So, I can quite see why she would think I was being unreasonable, as would you. If I'd seen the dog coming with its owner, I'd have put mine on the lead as I normally do.

It don't buy it as well that you're afraid of the other dog attacking yours. You've already acknowledged that your fear is that your male dog will attack another male dog interacting with your female.

The normal, appropriate interaction of sniffing both ends appears to trigger your dog becoming "hugely aggressive". Sounds to me like you were taking quite a risk having the male off lead.

I don't get it how owners who have aggressive dogs think that their little Hannibal Lecters are not to blame for their own aggressive actions. Keep your dog on lead, and if that isn't enough, muzzle him when other dogs are around.

Okay, I appreciate you posted this before I could clarify why mine was off the lead. I do think though, that you're misrepresenting me a little, and that's a shame as I really am on this forum to get a decent idea of how to deal with this situation rather than just looking for people to agree with me.

I think you've somewhat misquoted me with the "massively aggressive" thing - I don't mean that he is snarling and snapping and straining to get at them. He growls on occasion when an unrestrained male dog is taking serious interest in my female dog. He doesn't snarl, he doesn't snap and he has never in his life attacked another dog, and when he has been attacked he has cowered and not reacted. And yes, I am scared that one day the growling will turn into more as, unlike all these people who merrily call out, oh don't worry, my dog's friendly!, I appreciate he is an animal and no amount of training can take certain basic instincts out of him or any other dog.

it is pretty frustrating to have on lead walkers, with sensitive or aggressive dogs walking in high dog traffic areas where everyone else is offlead

I absolutely agree, which I why I don't ever take my dogs to high-traffic areas such as the lake. The other two dogs we met on the walk this morning were called to heel as quickly as mine were before we crossed paths, and then let off again. I do get your point though, and I wouldn't want to bother other owners and dogs if there was a general off-lead rule and I was spoiling it. I felt quite the same before I got my second dog and my Retriever was 100% friendly with every dog he came across.

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GraysAnalogy · 20/05/2016 15:03

thisisbloody did you read the part where the dog's owners were 150m away?

jonsnowssocks · 20/05/2016 15:06

if my dog isn't friendly I should only walk her on pavements away from other dogs!

The two times my dog has been attacked we were actually walking on pavements away from other dogs, and the dogs shot out of the houses/gardens to have a go!

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IrianofWay · 20/05/2016 15:07

If your dog was off lead I would assume he was reasonably friendly. Especially somewhere open like a field or woodland. However if your dog growled at mine I wouldn't be upset. Its what they do sometimes - mine would turn tail and run!

GraysAnalogy · 20/05/2016 15:08

People need to also have courtesy because people could actually be training their dogs. The other day I actually saw a lead that said 'dog in training' and thought that was fab, but wondered if people would put two and two together and realise that perhaps the people would need space if they were trying to teach their dog recall etc.

jonsnowssocks · 20/05/2016 15:11

I don't blame her for reacting when a bad mannered dog won't leave her alone.

This situation! My dog has never reacted to a quick sniff and then moving apart, only when another dog is really going for it. The dog this morning was bounding and jumping all over the pair of them. My Lab was delighted as she loves to play, and my Retriever didn't respond, he just came back and stood next to me.

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NotSayingImBatman · 20/05/2016 15:20

I have a fear aggressive border collie. She was chased as a puppy by a big Newfoundland and has an extreme fear of other dogs approaching her as a result.

She's seven now, and we're just reaching a point where she will only bark and lunge when she gets within about 10 feet of an approaching dog, it used to be the case that she would start from the moment she saw them, until they were completely out of sight but as a result she is NEVER off lead unless there are no dogs in sight at all.

If I hear 'Oh, don't worry, he's friendly!' one more fucking time when I politely ask other dog owners to put their dogs back on the lead as they approach, I swear I'm going to drop her lead and let them see that SHE FUCKING ISN'T!

Then, when she lunges and snaps and I'm restraining her at the side of the path, the tutting begins, the muttering about how she should be under control. SHE IS! SHE'S ON THE FUCKING LEAD! PUT YOUR DOG ON THEIRS!

Ahem.

In short, if you're a dog owner and approaching another dog on the lead, please put your dog on theirs and let's all have a pleasant time out there.

Godstopper · 20/05/2016 15:23

Well Batman said everything I feel like, but perhaps slightly less politely Grin

AppleSetsSail · 20/05/2016 15:27

I'm at the dog park no fewer than 10x a week. I've never seen a dog owner getting upset about an on-lead (or off) dog snapping or snarling at an approaching dog - this strikes me as completely normal dog behaviour.

Am I missing something?

I agree that it is pretty frustrating when you have a big gang of dogs running around having fun and then you have someone come in with a temperamental dog on-lead making demands about the other dogs steering clear.

NotSayingImBatman · 20/05/2016 15:34

To be fair Apple, I've never come across a 'dog park'. I take my dog along a railway path. We would never be in a 'dog park' (is this like a normal park, but dogs are allowed? Or a designated park just for dog walkers?) because Ddog would be stressed, scared and having a thoroughly miserable time.

Those of us with genuinely fear aggressive dogs aren't stupid, and we don't like putting our dogs in situations that make them unhappy so we generally won't choose somewhere we know will be teaming with off lead dogs. So, if you're walking along a quiet path, and you see a dog on a lead, don't be a dick. Put your dog on the lead and walk past without making a negative comment.

Mrsfancyfanjango · 20/05/2016 15:34

YANBU
Our dog is overly friendly and loves everyone so is always on the lead, id hate it if she ran up to somebody who wasn't wanting/expecting it.

AppleSetsSail · 20/05/2016 15:36

I absolutely hate people walking their dogs offlead in streets too. Just stop.

It is the height of dog-owner arrogance, isn't it? I saw the a crazy dog lady's dog almost die in a horrific car accident when I was walking my kids to school one day, she still walks them off lead (3!). Also the bloody gangsters with their menacing dogs running 20 feet behind them - fuck off.

GraysAnalogy · 20/05/2016 15:40

Exactly that Apple. There's no reason for it at all. Oh god that poor dog! And she hasn't learned from it either, what an idiot.

AppleSetsSail · 20/05/2016 15:44

The poor dog. My poor kid, he was shaking and I had to take him for a really long walk to calm him down before school. Nearly crushed between the fenders of two cars just a few feet from us - I couldn't get the look in the dog's eyes out of my head Sad.

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 20/05/2016 15:55

YANBU

Locally almost all dog owners will call their dog back and put them on lead if they see your dog on a lead or will recall their dog if they see you call your dog back at the sight of them coming, which is great. We're really lucky, it's rare to meet a dog owner who doesn't.

I did once meet one total twat of a man with five dogs, none of them on leads or under any control whatsoever, who he let plunge across and mob my then six month old puppy on a lead, who panicked so badly she broke her collar and bolted. He stood rewarding and cooing at his overexcited, untrained mob and feeding them treats, deaf to me seething at him and blind to my dog in distress. My poor dog has been a bit on the nervous/barky side with larger dogs ever since.

jonsnowssocks · 20/05/2016 15:56

That's bloody awful :( Couldn't she be forced by the council or some other higher power to look after her dogs properly?

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GraysAnalogy · 20/05/2016 15:56

I know that look :(

Once my idiot brother left the door open and my mum's puppy went running into the road - a main road. I shit you not the puppies dad (mum had dad and pup) went running after it and took the brunt of the car that was going to hit the pup. The pup would have died easily otherwise. The dad got off lucky - he was a very big dog - but very bruised, the brave boy.. The look in his eyes though and the sound of the impact made me burst into tears though it was awful. I would never ever allow my dog offlead near a road beforehand but after that I'm more angry at the people who do allow it and angry at people like my brother who allow dogs to get out!

jonsnowssocks · 20/05/2016 15:57

Sorry rumbling, x posted. Bloody awful what that man did to your puppy as well though.

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GraysAnalogy · 20/05/2016 16:10

rumbling sorry I also missed your post, that's terrible. What an absolute arsehole!

kat360 · 20/05/2016 17:53

YANBU! I hate this, I have 2 pugs. Poppy, a 1 year old pug/westie cross and Rosie, a 4 month old small pug who only has one eye. Due to complications with her boosters and eye removal operation she has only been able to go for a walk for the past few weeks, so she is still very nervous.

I live in a little village full of dogs and I walk them next to a pushchair with my 2yo in and 3yo walking. Today we encountered a woman with 3 springers off lead. She was about 100m away and all 3 springers came bounding up and started jumping all around us. She made no effort to call them back, Rosie got really scared and tried to climb under the pushchair, Poppy was jumping trying to nip them and my two sons were screaming because they had dogs jumping around them.

All she said when she got near was "oh, they like children, don't worry they are friendly" Angry I was too busy calming everyone down to reply.

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