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To still be fuming over tripadviser response

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MrsSparkles · 09/05/2016 16:31

after a week? A couple of members of our rather large birthday party lunch last Sunday left a quite negative review on tripadviser for a restaurant.

Just for clarity there were 10 of us, we ordered on 3 separate tickets. 2 lots came after approx. 1 1/2 hours of waiting (would have been nice to have a warning it was going to be so long but heigh-ho). The last ticket - which was actually ordered first - eventually turned up 20 mins later having been re-ordered.

We asked for the manager to come and see us, but had to request this 4 times before he eventually came over, after about a 30 minute wait, and actually being at our table several times to get cutlery. We suggested it might be nice to offer the people who had to wait 2 hours some money back (not the rest of us). They did in the end but have now accused us of being rude and aggressive, and suggested we never come back.

I am fuming because 1. It should never have got this far, if he'd come over in a reasonable amount of time we wouldn't have been so rude and 2. If they'd just held their hands up the first time and said terribly sorry can we get the 2 of you a complimentary drink (or similar), we would have felt much happier.

Usually I will never write a restaurant off after 1 visit (everyone can have an off day) - which is why we didn't write a review, but I am so cross I want to email them to tell them exactly what I think of their shoddy customer service.

I work in retail and would be appalled if my managers behaved in this way.

OP posts:
curren · 09/05/2016 19:43

So some of your party were rude (I totally get why try were annoyed) and left a harsh review. You even feel it was harsh.

And the restaurant replied in, what you think is a harsh way.

I don't see the issue myself. You have the right to leave a review and try have a right to reply. Both sides seems to have been harsh in what they wrote.

derenstar · 09/05/2016 19:56

I'd agree with leaving a factual, balanced review and addressing the rude and aggressive accusations levied by the manager. I, like most people that use Tripadvisor can generally connect the dots and read between the lines. I can spot vindictive reviews quite easily mostly, they're often devoid of any detail of substance and launch straight into negatives. I can also normally spot those where it's clear people are after a much higher level of service or goods out of line with the costs. Most people I'd imagine don't just read one review but several and I also tend to look out for trends with each review- e.g. more than one person mentioning slow service is a flag for instance. Negative reviews doesn't mean I avoid somewhere alltogheter, but it does help with managing my expectations.

I'm absolutely for Tripadvisor and think on the whole it's a great tool for consumers. However like most tools and can be open to abuse, I don't think that warrants it being not availablethough.

MrTiddlestheFatCat · 09/05/2016 19:59

rookiemere I do agree that it is probably more useful for hotels than restaurants, and I do know that a lot of people find it useful. The provision of pictures, at least, is a way to show that you have actually been but they are in no way foolproof. I still don't think TripAdvisor is ideal, but I do see your point of view.

Interesting that you mentioned Groupon...a similar company persuaded me to try an offer with them for a short period when I first opened. Never again. The customers were the worst I've ever had- exactly as you described- wanting everything for a ridiculously cheap price and then getting super aggressive when I couldn't provide it. It was a huge mistake I won't make again. I steered clear from then on and have done fine. I make a reasonable profit, with lovely customers who I am happy to listen to and provide discount for return business. Of course, some that used the voucher returned and were lovely, but for the most part, discount/voucher sites just seem to encourage aggressive complainers that thrive on the anonymity of Tripadvisor. Very strange.

lem73 · 09/05/2016 20:05

A few months ago, we visited a recently opened restaurant that had lots of glowing reviews on TA. However our experience was awful from start to finish. We couldn't wait to leave. When I looked at TA a couple of days later there were a couple of favourable reviews from the night we visited. I was a bit surprised because our experience was very poor and there weren't that many other tables. I decided to write my own review. The next day I got an email saying it had been taken down because of a complaint about foul language. I had used the word 'damn' (can't remember the context. I'm convinced the management used it as an excuse get a negative review taken down, just as I am sure someone was putting false reviews up.

MrTiddlestheFatCat · 09/05/2016 20:06

derenstar That's actually all I'd ever want a prospective customer to do really, and fortunately, I do think most people approach it in that way.

Its never going to get taken down, so you do have to work with it, and so my original point was more just that I think businesses have every right to respond to customers (a few people saying they thought it was unfair that businesses got the last word), because it does have the potential for nastiness and lies. And of course, its human nature to want to defend yourself and something you've worked hard for. I know the 'proper' response from all owners would be to simply apologise to all bad ones and leave it, but when there's fabrications it is quite hard and it does feel quite personal (I know its not and always take a step back before responding for this reason.)

MrTiddlestheFatCat · 09/05/2016 20:12

lem73 Its almost impossible to get reviews taken down off TripAdvisor, so I think you must have been unlucky. The only one I've ever had taken down (and I don't know why it was even published) was one calling me 'fat and sweaty'.

I once provided what I thought was solid proof that a review had been written by an ex-employee (email addresses, scanned documents etc) and it wasn't taken down. Perhaps its a bit hit and miss, I don't know.

And as a business profile, you get a lot of warnings about posting false reviews. I remember once reading about a hotel that got 'black listed' because a guest wrote a good review in the hotel supposedly and they accused her of doing it. So they must test your IP address (rubbish at technology, don't know what they do exactly) and stop you posting multiple reviews from one device or one location?

thenextweb.com/uk/2011/09/30/hotel-faces-ruin-after-tripadvisor-red-flags-it-over-a-fake-review/#gref

rookiemere · 09/05/2016 20:19

I've seen quite a few instances where positive reviews have clearly been faked.

The signs are lots of negative reviews then a few glowingly positive ones from people who have never posted before. Positive reviews are usually very short and lack details, but invariably praise a member of staff.

I'm surprised trip advisor doesn't do more to police it, but in any case it's glaringly obvious what's going on if you read through a few pages.

lem73 · 09/05/2016 20:23

MrTiddles it got taken down. Why would I make that up?? It had only been up a few hours as well, which made me think it was the management sitting monitoring reviews. I couldn't be bothered rewriting it and vowed never to go back.

MrsSparkles · 09/05/2016 20:23

Mrtiddles I know what you mean - when people are nasty about my business online its like a dagger to the heart, especially as the vast majority haven't been in to try to resolve the problem but would just rather post anonymously online.

I don't want to post another review as it's all a bit tit for tat, I may consider sending an email listing my constructive points.

And yes - I do have far more important things to be thinking about (like names and hospital bags) but I am procrastinating!

OP posts:
MrTiddlestheFatCat · 09/05/2016 20:30

At no point did I say you'd made it up... Confused

I just said you must have been quite unlucky to have it taken down- Sort of just pointing out that what happened to you is not the norm in my experience, as they have always been quite strict.

MrsSparkles I'm glad you see where I'm coming from. Hope the rage has subsided- when my hormone induced pregnancy anger came on, I used to go and fold up my unborn daughter's clothes- something about the softness and the littleness just made me calm and happy Grin totally irrelevant to thread

BadLad · 09/05/2016 23:32

A fish and chips shop with a rude manager who writes scathing replies to bad TripAdvisor reviews?

Must be Pinnacles.

Himalayanrock · 09/05/2016 23:47

I don't get the connection between waiting for food and requesting money back... To me that's just cheeky!

GarlicShake · 09/05/2016 23:57

Well, Himalayan, they can't refund the hour of your life you spent waiting for a service they'd contracted to provide, can they?

Himalayanrock · 10/05/2016 00:07

I can see that a complaint would be reasonable.. But a discount isn't going to improve the waiting time.

shinynewusername · 10/05/2016 00:10

I absolutely do look at negative comments before booking anywhere - the response from the restaurant tells me all I need to know

This. I judge places far more on their responses to reviews, than on the reviews themselves. A firm response to a customer who is clearly taking the piss is fine, but defensive or rude replies to fair criticism are a strong indicator that the reviewer was right in the first place. Amazing that so many businesses don't seem to get this.

I once got a right pasting from a hotel after a generally very positive review because I called them quirky. They had an excavated medieval grave in the centre of their entrance hall, so I felt this was a reasonable observation Smile

wasonthelist · 10/05/2016 00:37

MrTiddlestheFatCat - I sympathise up to a point, but I have posted truthful negative reviews after my attempts to get things dealt with fell on deaf ears. I can't post using my real name as our company policy forbids it.

I often take positive and negative reviews into account - sometimes I think the negs are nitpicking and sometimes I think the positives are things that wouldn't appeal to me. Equally sometimes responses are very insightful.

It's an imperfect system but the standard of basic service can be so poor - as it the OPs case - in a restaurant they have one basic job - to feed you all in a timely manner. If they can't do that, then they don't really deserve customers.

angryangryyoungwoman · 10/05/2016 00:42

The management responses to Pinnacles reviews are hilarious to read. Thanks for the heads up badlad Grin

UpsiLondoes · 10/05/2016 00:55

Honestly OP, if the manager read a negative review and replied those customers aren't welcomed back, I'd avoid the place because of the manager's response. It's just so... Unprofessional. Like that Four in a Bed program with b&b owners who see the reply "would you come back? No" and say Oh they're not welcomed back here anyway.

You're a fucking business providing a service.

steff13 · 10/05/2016 01:01

I'm reading the Pinnacles reviews, too. I love them.

Question - one of the reviews says the special included "mushy peas." What are mushy peas?

UpsiLondoes · 10/05/2016 01:05

Really? I think the manager at Pinnacles is a complete twat. Nothing remotely funny in the insulting replies.

Magicalman · 10/05/2016 02:09

Hi there, I was browsing Mumsnet regarding washing duvets and came across your post.
This prompted me to join so I may shed some light on the matter. I have owned a restaurant and fortunate enough to gain industry awards. I was the owner, hands on, not the chef. I sold out around 2000 and for some crazy reason am looking to start a brand new venture with a close friend of mine who was the GM for Hakkassan and Sketch (London Hi end operations). All this means is that we pride oursef on serive and customer satisfaction.

So hear goes:

From an operators perspective large parties can be hard to manage especially at peak time. If this were our operation our policy would be, as follows, Party of 10 has to book in advance and we would allocate a dedicated person to oversee the table.

Ordering on three tickets is strange and tantamount for disaster. The order should have been taken all at once and then sub grouped if the party wished to have separate bills.

It seems they were unable to cope. Either they were overbooked, understaffed or missing key individuals.

The time delay is unacceptable however all was lost when the manager didnt respond promptly. Becoming rude wont achieve much but it is a way to let off steam and frustration. Having dealt with these situations I find that 99% of the time an apology and a free drink or course will appease. Some customers enjoy moaning and to be honest I always knew if their issue was genuine or they were drama queeens. The position set out in this post is not acceptable and managed appaulingly.

Now here is the good news.Whether operators and managers like it or not, tripadvisor has been a game changer. If the issues were set out on TA then dont worry about the response. Any good operator will never call you rude and tell you never to come back (even if they want to) because it backfires. Most potential customers will see that reply and it will put them off.

Secondly, anyone using TA will scan all reviews and I have a feeling yours wasn't the only one.

The only type of review to avoid are the wannabe food critics who wish to impress others and rarely know what they are talking about. If the review is simple like, The food took ages to arrive. The steak was cremated and we asked for rare, the chips were cold and the management werent obliging and didnt care.. Thats factul, to the point and sums up that persons experience.

To sum up, owning or running a restaurant is a nightmare however we do it because we love it therefore there are plenty of reasons you can have an off day but it's rarely the customers fault if managed correctly and with care.

My suggestion if you choose to email is, as follows.

Be concise and specific and avoid emotion and write to the owner or The M.D.

Dear Sirs,

we would like to draw your attention to an unpleasant experience we endured recently.

We booked a party of 10 for 12.30.

We arrived on time and were seated promptly. We ordered food @ 12.45 under three separate orders and it finally arrived at 1.45 etc etc.

Setting it out this way highlights shoddy service without you getting personal.

I hope this gives all of you an insight into the crazy world of food and drink. Its not for the faint hearted and wholly down to the team pulling together ensuring the customers have a wonderful experience.

KimmySchmidtsSmile · 10/05/2016 02:30

steff mushy peas are the devil's work. Served with fishnchips traditionally, tis like a pea purée/gloop. Marrowfat peas soaked overnight with bicarb then heated with salt/sugar to make said bloop. Just google image it, they taste like they look. they speak very highly of me
Grin

KimmySchmidtsSmile · 10/05/2016 02:40

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tripadvisor-reviews-fish-and-chip-shops-pinnacles-seahouses-a6965771.html
Independent must have been a slow news day all round, was also in telegraph

BadLad · 10/05/2016 03:30

No worries. I frequently look to see if there are any new bad reviews.