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That people shouldn't bring dogs to the school gates

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Stardust160 · 02/05/2016 19:04

I try to teach my children not to touch strange dogs and on the school run there seems to be a constant influx of parents with dogs in particular jumpy dogs around the school gates. These can sometimes be excitable and the owner often says they are ok. Abiu to think the school should stop dogs around the school gates. I always have a fear after witnessing my primary school friend get viciously attacked by a dog she stroked at the school gates.

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ScrotesOnFire · 02/05/2016 19:20

Pfft.
My dog used to love sitting at the gate while I waved DS off.
I wouldn't leave her there unattended but she's perfectly friendly and obedient.
Unlike the bastard terrier who used to lunge and snarl at every dog at a bloody mile away.
Now THAT shouldn't have been near a school.
But I think obedient friendly dogs are fine.

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Stardust160 · 02/05/2016 19:21

The fact the dog is tied up and left unattended is a worry it only takes one child to stroke it, they might catch it the wrong way or be too ruff and get bitten. The jumping dogs are a nightmare almost knocking over the kids when trying to walk down the path down the school is difficult as there's two primary schools close together.

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KoalaDownUnder · 02/05/2016 19:21

Well, see Pocket's post for one example.

How would you know whether any other random person has plenty of other spare hours in the day to walk their dog?

DontCallMeBaby · 02/05/2016 19:23

They need to be kept sufficiently away from actual gates so you can avoid them if necessary - at DD's primary the rule was not to stand at the actual gate with a dog, and not to tie one up too close to the gate. Other than that, kids need to learn not to approach strange dogs, and to be supervised as long as they haven't reliably learned that lesson.

DD was afraid of dogs before she started school - walking past well-secured, (mostly) well-behaved dogs every morning and afternoon helped her to get over that.

Friendofsadgirl · 02/05/2016 19:23

YANBU
I love dogs but I hate that there are always several of them on the narrow path approaching the school gates here. The path runs alongside the car park so the DCs cannot move further out unless they want to dodge the lazy parents who won't park up and are lined up with their engines running
so DD cannot avoid the dogs even though she knows not to approach them
Afaik the council owns the path and car park but the school seems reluctant to deal with anything beyond the gate. I'm thinking of sneaking down one night with a massive banner.

MrBensMrs · 02/05/2016 19:23

Would rather someone walked with their dog to school than the idiots driving short distances and parking dangerously or not looking where they're going in their insistence to be as close to the gate as physically possible

QueenMolotov · 02/05/2016 19:23

If the dog is on a lead, calm, waits nicely and takes commands from its owner, I don't see a problem.

Jumpy dogs, ones who don't always take commands or ones not on leads should not be at the school gates.

I adore my dog and would love to walk her to collect my dds from school, but I don't because she is a strong girl and excitable around people; in a crowd this could be problematic!

Now, dog shit outside the school, is never ever acceptable ...

WellErrr · 02/05/2016 19:24

YABU.

Dogs aren't evil, and you shouldn't teach children to be afraid of them.

KoalaDownUnder · 02/05/2016 19:26

Don'tCall's first paragraph is spot-on.

Make sensible rules about not blocking paths or leaving dogs unattended. Thats all that's required.

Suzietwo · 02/05/2016 19:27

The unwritten at our village school is if you bring your dog you and your children wait across the road until the kids are allowed into school. My large golden doodle is frequently swamped by kids saying hello. Kids love it and dog loves it. But we are a tiny village and most people know the dog already. He's nice.

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Stardust160 · 02/05/2016 19:28

Aw don't get me started on the dog poo outside 💩 Although most days people do tend to pick up after their dogs but on some occasion is covered the path

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CantWaitForWarmWeather · 02/05/2016 19:28

Koala Dog walkers exist?

The school run is such a busy time and why should everyone who doesn't have dogs have to endure people's dogs/dodge them/walk over leads? Can you imagine someone on their way to work or school and a dog jumps up at them and gets mucky paws all over them. Wonderful.

TheFuckersBitingMe · 02/05/2016 19:28

I take our dog up to school o collect DS2 with me when I have an afternoon off. He loves walking home, she loves walking up there (we're quite rural so have lots of fields to tramp through) and I stay with her outside the school gates to wait for him; his teacher brings them out one at a time and I make sure she can see me, it doesn't seem to upset either the dog or anyone's DCs. I wouldn't leave her tie to the gates while I went into school despite the fact that she's very well behaved; it wouldn't be fair on her at all. But I see no problem with her being there with me.

CantWaitForWarmWeather · 02/05/2016 19:28

Oh yes, and dog poo.

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Stardust160 · 02/05/2016 19:29

Wellerr I grow up with dogs. I'm aware they aren't evil, I just don't trust other people's dogs and at the end of the day they are still an animal.

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FarrowandBallAche · 02/05/2016 19:29

Oh how marvellous!
Another dog bashing thread.

YABU of course.

BombadierFritz · 02/05/2016 19:32

Nothing to do with you or school when or where people walk their dogs as long as they are under control. Inside school gates - no not acceptable. Tied up to school gates alone - also not ideal. Walking dog to school - fine. I walk him to school with dd then home and on to work. I'm not doing an extra walk before taking dd to school just because you dont like dogs on school runs.

TheFuckersBitingMe · 02/05/2016 19:32

CantWait I don't think it's fair to tar all dogs and owners with the same brush; our spaniel hasn't ever jumped at a stranger in her life, doesn't get in anyone's way on paths as she walks to heel on and off lead and doesn't even bark at strangers; I fail to see how her being on the school run with me affects anybody else. If folk don't have full control of their dog, that's one person and one dog. To assume all dogs and owners are like that is quite rude, really.

BombadierFritz · 02/05/2016 19:33

We dont actually go up to the school gate. See how nice we are! We wait a bit away so we dont get in the way.

KoalaDownUnder · 02/05/2016 19:34

Right, so now it's that people might not have the time, but they should leave their dogs at home while they walk the children to school, then pay a dog walker?

Sorry, that is just ridiculous. Dog walkers are bloody expensive. You do know that need walking every day? And some people enjoy walking their own dogs. It's kind of the point of having a pet.

Dogs jumping up with muddy paws on people's work clothes has nothing to do with anything, and is obviously shit.

Sorry you've encountered some arse dog-owners, but most people are actually trying to do the right thing. Everyone (children and dogs) need more exercise, not less.

BonerSibary · 02/05/2016 19:34

YANBU, and it's asking for trouble particularly to bring a dog not on a lead as some stupid entitled tits always do. Lots of kids and lots of dogs in what is often a pretty small space and almost always densely packed. Neither small children nor canines can always be trusted to behave appropriately, that being the nature of both beasts. But schools can't necessarily prevent people from bringing dogs to outside the school, if they're not on school property. This isn't dog bashing btw, it's certain owner bashing.

ENormaSnob · 02/05/2016 19:35

Yabu

charlestonchaplin · 02/05/2016 19:37

Osolea 'Irrational but understandable fears'. Now there's a stupid statement. Many dogs are poorly trained and not under the full control of their owners. Dogs have sharp teeth, strong jaws, are not always predictable or easy to interpret, they can run faster than most people and may weigh as much as a young woman. In short, no-one can be certain a dog won't attack at any given time, and if they do the consequences can be deadly.

I'm not sure whether people like you are wilfully blind or just not that switched on. Fear of dogs is healthy and entirely rational. Respect is a better word but it is probably easier for you to belittle people by telling them they're irrationally fearful.

ScrotesOnFire · 02/05/2016 19:37

Who the fuck leaves dog shit outside a school?!?!
There were lots of dogs at DS's school, I never saw any poo!
And with the exception of the bastard terrier and its friend, all the dogs were well behaved.
No jumping with mucky paws or dodging, stepping over leads

It's worth remembering too, the despite what the daily fail would have you believe, dog bites are actually very rare!
You only have to read up on body language a bit then see the millions of photos of terribly uncomfortable dogs around boisterous children who never harm them to see they are generally an incredibly tolerant animal.

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Stardust160 · 02/05/2016 19:37

I think the problem is there's the trained dogs and the untrained dogs at the school gates. Where do you draw the line? How can you determine which dogs safe? My DB has a dog and it's completely untrained extremely bouncy and big and could easily knock a child over it wouldn't intentionally cause harm but it has the potential to. Personally I don't think dogs should take presence over the children's ability to safe access and attend school.

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