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to ask what you all think of academies? and forced acadamisation (is that even a word?)

71 replies

isitginoclock · 24/04/2016 16:54

So... Every single teacher I know seems to think that academies are a terrible idea. From what I've read (and it's not a lot) they actually sound quite sensible.

Please can someone clear it up for me. What's changing? Why is it good? Why is it bad?

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OurBlanche · 24/04/2016 18:34

You say that because you don't know/understand the realities... or you don't have kids, nieces, nephews etc and so don't have any stake in education!

Thebrowntrout · 24/04/2016 18:36

Me, or DixieNormas?

Assuming it was to me, I will simply say I've been a teacher for fucking ages a long time, and schools have ALWAYS been a law unto themselves :)

OurBlanche · 24/04/2016 18:36

When did they change, DixieNorma?

I know a couple of very good ones, they were in the early tranch of volunteers. They are giving the private schools round here a bloody good run for their money Smile

eddiemairswife · 24/04/2016 18:39

What really gets me is that there is no evidence to show that academies do better or worse than community schools. When pressed MPs in favour point to 'a school in my constituency' which has made a complete turnaround since becoming an academy, but that is false reasoning. The only research I could find was published last year by the DfE, which concluded that it was too soon to tell.

OurBlanche · 24/04/2016 18:39

From that perspective, Thebrowntrout, you are absolutely right Smile

The system is shite, it is broken already. But enforced Academistaion, privatising, isn't the right route. Nor is it being done honestly!

mineofuselessinformation · 24/04/2016 18:39

Greys, I totally agree with you. IMO, it's privatisation by the back door.

Thebrowntrout · 24/04/2016 18:43

They don't, especially, Eddie, but as a cost-cutting exercise it slices LA salaries which I must say I don't necessarily feel is a bad thing.

Re selecting students - that's always happened. No one kicks up a fuss about church schools, or single sex schools, it's always been acceptable in those instances.

Unqualified staff - I can't get worked up about.

Little will change.

Trustthetrust · 24/04/2016 18:45

DS's school has recently become a forced academy. Watching that train wreck is enough for me to be horrified that all schools will soon be forced into academies.

Teachers leaving left right and centre, closely followed by students. We've just lost the head and deputy head before easter along with other teachers.

DS has SEN so my view may be skewed a little, we're in the summer term now and I only got his first provision map 4 days ago. We're now on his 3rd SENCO. She's only temporary though.

DixieNormas · 24/04/2016 18:47

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Trustthetrust · 24/04/2016 18:48

Re selecting students - that's always happened. No one kicks up a fuss about church schools, or single sex schools, it's always been acceptable in those instances.

But the LA being required to provide a place meant that faith schools etc could be selective without much fallout. If all the schools are academies, what happens then?

Thebrowntrout · 24/04/2016 18:49

What has always happened: that it becomes someone else's problem :)

Trustthetrust · 24/04/2016 18:50

Who's though? That's the point. Where does the accountability lie?

Thebrowntrout · 24/04/2016 18:53

There has never been accountability beyond some incompetent people in an office.

I could have misunderstood, but (correct me if I am wrong) - the LA had to find our child a school place, now they are all academies, what if we can't find him/her a school place?

Like a lot of academy worries, it's possible in theory, pretty unlikely in practice.

lljkk · 24/04/2016 18:56

accountability... that's the problem.
It seems like when academies get set up they want all sorts of pointless changes (timetable, uniform, other stuff...) all of which is just change for sake of change. -- or I guess, part of their 'branding'. That alone makes me distrust.

pointythings · 24/04/2016 19:10

I think forced academisation will be a disaster and will be a way of handing schools over to big corporations. They will then earn money like water, charging for basic services like IT, maintenance, materials - the potential for abuse is endless.

My DDs go to our local secondary, which decided to become an Academy after the great Grade Boundary Fiasco in 2012. It is a smallish academy trust, run by people who actually come from a teaching background, and it has been very good for the school. It may be the same school where Suffolk teaches - rated good, but actually it's better than that. It is a fabulous school and my DDs are thriving there.

However, this is very much not the norm for how academisation goes.

Thebrowntrout · 24/04/2016 19:11

I don't think there is a norm TBH.

Academies vary as widely as schools. Some are shite. Some are excellent. Much like LA schools Wink

Foxyloxy1plus1 · 24/04/2016 19:59

There's obviously a difference between a school that becomes an academy by force and one that becomes one through a MAT. Certainly there's some element of choice with a MAT, but it very much depends on the composition of the MAT, how many schools are included, primary, secondary, good, outstanding, RI ETC.

I think that the HT role will be reduced, as they won't have autonomy over their own school and there will be an executive head of the group. The HTs in the MAT will all have responsibility for all the schools, so if one school is doing well and another not, the responsibility and subsequent actions will happen to all. You also have to consider whether the MAT will be a group of equals, or whether one HT will deem him or herself in charge.

That, together with the comments regarding public buildings, pay and conditions, parent governors etc. In fact, it may well be that governing bodies will be dissolved and the reconstitution will be based on the recommendations of someone who has little or no knowledge of individual schools in the group.

Whatever is the situation regarding the government, in a few years time there may well be a change and a change to policy. Yes, Labour supported it when they were in power, but many things are different now.

The accountability lies with the MAT, but it will be interesting to see how that works in practice. We already have headlines about finances, large salaries for execs, poor results. Who knows where this will take the education system.

TitaniumSpider · 24/04/2016 20:26

FuckSanta what? really?

isitginoclock · 24/04/2016 20:34

You're always a mine of useful information, mums of Mumsnet Smile lots to think about!! X

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Catvsworld · 24/04/2016 20:44

My sons outstanding school turned into one about 3 years ago seen no difference apart from they could finally get rid of the awful music teacher

Tbh honest if the schools good and you trust your head then I can't see the issue the teachers at my sons school were pleased and they are now a centre of excellence and have a Inatoive science programme they wouldn't have if they haven't changed

Tbh the same people who don't like academies are the same people who hate grammar schools , free schools and things like setting and steaming

Catvsworld · 24/04/2016 20:46

It's amazing how people rail against academies when. Often there children didn't even attend one as LA are shit but that seems to be fine in my area the two schools that are to be avoided are the LA schools

The free school is also brilliant and I will be sending my daughter there

RobotMenu · 24/04/2016 21:16

Teacher's pay and conditions will go out of the window. All those things the unions fought for will be gone. They could be forced to do things that go against a workload balance - because the head says so.

Wages will go down. Highly experienced member of staff could be same as an NQT. Their wages night never rise - be frozen due to PRP. (Yes, in theory, they should rise, but reality shows that pay is being kept down (especially as schools are more strapped for cash.

Unqualified teachers.

yorkshapudding · 24/04/2016 21:32

If it goes ahead, forced academisation will be a complete disaster. This is not being considered with the wellbeing of students or staff in mind, it's about enabling the government to sell of billions of pounds of public land and assets to private interests. The Government are trying to privatise education by the back door, no great surprise when you look at what they've been doing to our NHS, prisons and social care services.

Thebrowntrout · 24/04/2016 21:32

'Unions fought for'

PMSL.

RobotMenu · 24/04/2016 21:36

Well the STPC Document was drawn up by the unions and the government. If you know that document, you'll realise how much there is to lose.

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