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to be irritated that female fighters have to be so slim?

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Bloodystupidusernamer00lz · 17/04/2016 17:15

I am overweight by quite a bit, I think technically according to BMI's I am obese. I am trying to do something about it by going to the gym.

The gym I attend does a lot of martial arts and many of the men do competitive fighting but so far there are no women doing it.

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curren · 17/04/2016 18:18

But before you can say it's sexist.

You need to know (which you can find out by emailing them) if all women over 125lb are banned. Especially since UFC goes up higher than that.

Or do they get no applications.

One of my friends turned up to compete a few weeks ago and no one else in her category turned up. Only her. So that weight category wasn't listed on the board. Doesn't mean they don't do that weight category.

You basically need to find out what the reason is.

Either way. It doesn't stop you doing it at the gym. If you speak directly to them, you may find by the time you are ready to compete there will be other weight categories.

RJnomore1 · 17/04/2016 18:19

It's not sexist because I see how the guys cut weight to fight too.

Bloodystupidusernamer00lz · 17/04/2016 18:20

Yes there is an atomweight catagory which is 48kg that sometimes is used for women, so if they can add a lighter one why not add a heavier one too? I wonder if they just don't want to see women of that weight fighting but that could just be me being cynical Grin

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curren · 17/04/2016 18:21

Oh and we all cut weight before fights regardless of where we sit.

My Sensei didn't drop enough and had to fight someone 8 inches taller at the worlds last year.

There is an advantage to dropping weight.

Bloodystupidusernamer00lz · 17/04/2016 18:23

Ah yes RJ but that is one of my points! Why do they have to put their bodies under such stress by dehydrating and crash dieting/ridiculous heat treatments etc to lose that extra? They clearly aren't overweight at that point and it probably only weakens them directly before a very physically challenging competition. As you said they will likely be several pounds heavier by the time they actually come to fight so why do it in the first place?!

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Bloodystupidusernamer00lz · 17/04/2016 18:24

But what is the advantage if you fight is prearranged in advance? If you don't make weight you don't fight someone else you just don't fight at all.

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RJnomore1 · 17/04/2016 18:27

It's the way the sport works and it ensures some type of parity in matching fighters. It's most definitely not sexist though as both male and female fighters have to do it likewise in boxing and my own love, muay Thai. The thing is to pick the right weight category, eg when my husband fought at 72k he looked I'll at weigh in but at 74 he was much healthier looking, he also got matched with a talker stronger digger though.

And it's amazing how the body gets used to stopping weight fast (wish minds did thank you PCOS)

ScoutsMam · 17/04/2016 18:30

Ever thought about Roller Derby? Size is NEVER an issue. Very physical too. It's not everyone's cup of tea but a very welcoming female focused sport.

RJnomore1 · 17/04/2016 18:31

I am so sorry for the amount of typos in that last post

curren · 17/04/2016 18:33

Because if I fight someone who is naturally slim but tall so weighs the same as me (at my normal weight) her height puts her at an advantage.

Height is an advantage. We all want to be the taller one on the mats. The taller you are the long leg and arm reach you have. The longer legs you have the faster you can move away.

I get more points for landing a kick to the head. Which I far easier when the other fighter is 2/3inch shorter than you. Not so easy if they are significantly taller than you.

When I spar with Dd (12) I can touch her head without her even being able to reach my middle.

Note when it's me and Dd we don't full on spar. We can't bring ourseleves to hit eachother. It's very light touch sparing.

Weight weeks before is fairly pointless. But does allow you to carb up and get energy levels back on track.

In our associations you weigh in the day before or at the beginning of the week of its a long tournament such as the worlds.

BombadierFritz · 17/04/2016 18:36

This isnt stopping you though!
So yes, write and complain/ask but just get training. I love both muay thai and bjj and highly recommend either.

BombadierFritz · 17/04/2016 18:38

I only ever spar in the gym mind you, like most of the men do as well, or at interclubs

Birdsgottafly · 17/04/2016 18:44

It isn't sexist, my Son In Law has had to miss a fight, because he didn't drop weight.

""but in MMA you can't be over 125lbs/135lbs.""

You can, there just isn't enough Women competing.

In the gym that my Son In Law goes to, there are lots of Male MMA fighters, but only two women.

Danglyweed · 17/04/2016 18:47

im 5'5 and 113lbs, im slim but quite curvy(I.e boobs and hips) though I cant imagine me fighting anyone... well I lie, today I bloody well could but in general, no!

Mide7 · 17/04/2016 18:53

Heavyweight in the UFC isn't unlimited( or at least it wasn't). I think it was capped at 265Ibs. I think it's unlimited in boxing tho.

Mide7 · 17/04/2016 18:53

Men's heavyweight that should say

TheNotoriousPMT · 17/04/2016 19:26

You can, there just isn't enough Women competing.

Absolutely. Average woman's height is 5'5". If you're that height and physically fit, then with cutting weight almost everyone would get into the 135lb category.

Relatively few women fight - in all martial arts put together, let alone just one of them - so your pool of potential opponents is going to be small anyway. Add 'unusually tall/heavy' to the mix and your pool shrinks further. Size parity is really important for a fair fight; it's a rare catchweight where the little fighter wins. There just aren't enough 145+ women to have much interesting competition - even in Invicta, which has over 20 fighters in the division, there isn't really much fierce competition. Maybe as the popularity of MMA grows (it is MMA you're talking about, right?) this will change.

As you said they will likely be several pounds heavier by the time they actually come to fight so why do it in the first place?!

It's an arms race. The more weight you are able to cut, the greater your advantage over your opponent will be when you fight. ( Unless you cut so much weight that you are significantly more tired than they are) Part of the reason why Conor McGregor has dominated the 145lb division is because he does a massive, massive weight cut - but on the day of the fight he is taller and heavier than his opponents.

In the photo you can see how drawn McGregor looks at a 145lb weigh-in - it's not pretty. But in the other photo you can see the height difference between them. Officially, McGregor had a 4" reach advantage, but that advantage would be greater still in practice because his height means that his shoulder starts off closer to Aldo's face than Aldo's shoulder is to McGregor's face, iyswim.

When McGregor faced Nate Diaz they weighed pretty much the same, and without the size advantage it was a very different story.

But the whole weight-cutting thing is pretty controversial and I think that the rules will change as time goes on and we learn more about how it affects the body. The UFC has banned the use of an IV drip to rehydrate in order to discourage harsh weight cuts. Several fighters have moved up a weight class since - all to the good, imo. I believe there is some evidence that hard cuts can affect a fighter's susceptibility to concussion, so an end to weight-cutting is probably a good thing.

I just got hugely overinvested and checked out some stats on McGregor's record. All the people he has beaten (that I could get the info for) were shorter than him, except for rising star Max Holloway, who took him to a decision. All the people who beat him were taller. I think I have just found my betting system

to be irritated that female fighters have to be so slim?
to be irritated that female fighters have to be so slim?
WeAreTheOthers · 17/04/2016 23:02

Try judo weight classes. At the recreational contests (i.e. not ones going to the really big contests) you might get 2 printed weight classes if you are VERY lucky. A lot of the time in martial arts women are just paired up by eye on the day because, as explained by my DS3, "there's no bloody point printing classes, hardly any girls show up."

DropYourSword · 18/04/2016 02:41

Plans to steal notoriousPMT's betting system

Realises I have NO idea about how to place bets :(

Pollyputhtekettleon · 18/04/2016 09:16

You misunderstand the situation OP. There are probably not enough people to fight at the higher weight and safety is also a consideration. You need two fit or somewhat matched fighters of a similar weight to fight. One overweight woman fighting a fit, tall, broadboned woman would be a bloodbath.

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