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council people!

72 replies

Skivvywoman · 16/04/2016 10:40

Going to start a thread based on the babies ear piercing thread where someone said it was very council like (very rude)

What makes a person council like?

I'm from a rough council area and can say I'd honestly move back there in a heartbeat!
The people are the friendliest (I know not everyone is but you get good and bad everywhere not just on council estates)

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septembersunshine · 16/04/2016 18:53

Well I, for one, am finding this an interesting thread. We are council tenants and both graduates who work. We have three kids with one on the way. Our house is lovely and by turn we love it dearly. We know how lucky we are to even have it. It's a semi on a quiet street in a beautiful rural village. It's a hundred years old with a kitchen and bathroom added on much later (they are tiny). The garden is long and rambling and the kids love it. Believe it or not but we were 15th of on the list, 14 families turned this house down before we got our chance. We never thought the day would come (and before this we were being screwed royally in private rents for 16 long years). I can tell you the security of being a council tenant is heaven after the shaky ground of private renting where you don't know if you have a home from one year to the next. I find it a bit bizarre that people think there are council type people. Well, not in my experience. Around here (Cambridgeshire) a lot of my friends are council tenants, we are just regular mums and at the school gates you can't tell a council tenant from a home owner. We look the same, we talk the same, we are the same. I think people forget how hard life is - not everyone can afford a huge deposit to buy.

thomassodorisland · 16/04/2016 19:15

Babylove there are people like that from all walks of life rich or poor.

PortiaCastis · 16/04/2016 19:17

Interesting isn't it, I grew up in a very naice area and I remember our neighbour across the road always having lots of visitors. When I went home for the holidays one year there was a police raid and lots of people were taken away from the neighbour's house, including said neighbour and her partner.
Local paper that week reported she had been running a knocking shop and he was a dealer. My Mum said she always wondered how they could afford the cleaner, gardener and the new cars and expensive decorators

PortiaCastis · 16/04/2016 19:30

Pressed too soon.
We lived in a village in Berkshire no council houses for miles around and the biggest offender of the year was running a brothel. People were worried about their house value dropping living in the same Lane as these people. They had the biggest house in the village, needed all those bedrooms for the debauchery.

Pettywoman · 16/04/2016 19:57

I once worked beside a girl who used 'council' as a derogatory word. She was awful. She left fairly soon as her daddy gave her husband a hugely well paid job in the family firm and them a massive house in the home counties. An utterly horrible expression, especially coming from her.

EMS23 · 16/04/2016 20:11

I am a council housing manager and my tenants come from all walks of life. I abhor the stereotyping that goes on, it's so unfair and achieves nothing.

Saying that, people stereo type council workers too - according to many, just because I work for a council I'm lazy, over paid and underworked.
I can honestly say working in council housing is the hardest I've ever worked, for the least money. It's also the most rewarding - I am so privileged to work on the front line of social housing and see what a positive difference a secure home can make to someone's life.

tametempo · 16/04/2016 20:19

It's good to hear view that from a housing manager, EMS23
I'm a Housing Association tenant and almost all housing association staff I have had any dealings with, have been patronising and/or rude and I've been very much left with the impression they view me as 'beneath' them.

wheresthel1ght · 16/04/2016 20:30

I think a lot depends on your experience of council estates.

When I was growing up there was very little difference between council estates and private a ones in terms of the people, the state of the area ie clean, well kept gardens etc. This was in North London. I moved to the north Midlands in my late teens and tbh there was a massive divide between council estates and private. The council estates were dilapidated, deprived, unkempt - both the individual homes and the communal areas. There is little interest for people to maintain their own houses when the wider community has been left to rot.

Socioeconomics here means that the councils have very little funds available to spend in regenerating these areas and so the issue gets worse. Problem families are moved to certain areas to stop them causing issues in the nicer areas and I think that has a big effect on the stereotypes.

However, I doubt very much that I could pick out a "council" person in a line up! I lived in a council flat for a while after I left my husband. And was repeatedly told I was not the "usual" sort for the area. Not sure what the usual was as everyone was lovely. Clean homes, clean area, not the "chavvy" stereotype portrayed by the media.

x2boys · 16/04/2016 20:42

I.have had completley the opposite experience tame my council.house well actually it's a housing association house now the biggest housing association in my town took over all the council houses a few years ago I can honestly say all the people I have spoken too on the phone ,and workmen have been very polite and respectful that this is our home not rude at all .

PortiaCastis · 16/04/2016 21:50

babylove so where do you think my Mum's neighbour will return. She owns the property along with its reputation of being a knocking shop full of coke. I think if someone goes to prison and doesn't own a home it would be very difficult to get out and obtain a secure council or HA tenancy.
Mum lives in a lovely village but the neighbours antics earned Mum's road the title of ' Legover Lane'

Tessabelle74 · 16/04/2016 21:52

My neighbour threw the "insult" "you lot" gesticulating at myself and another neighbour "should be in council houses where you belong!" The irony being we are in shared ownership properties and SHE'S in a completely housing association owned house! I wasn't offended anyway, the majority of my family live in council houses so I have many happy memories of them!

HelenaDove · 16/04/2016 22:45

My older DH once told me that one of the roads near us earned the name Incubator Avenue back in the 60s Hmm

Coldtoeswarmheart · 16/04/2016 23:04

I was council until age 21, then not for a while, then bought an ex-council house and lived there 10 years, now not again for past few. I have been the same person throughout Confused

Coldtoeswarmheart · 16/04/2016 23:07

Mind you, my late DM was, as my hairdresser once put it, "upper class council" so what would I know?

EveryoneElsie · 16/04/2016 23:10

Someone posted recently that they hated the 'feral chav culture which Labour encouraged'.
I'm guessing that sums up many peoples view of 'council' Grin

HelenaDove · 16/04/2016 23:14

Thats bullshit Many tenants have been very poorly treated by Labour councils. Whitebeam Court Spruce Court up in Salford spring to mind.

SuperFlyHigh · 16/04/2016 23:21

total my friends at primary school who were council had the same attitudes as yours did too, buy a house and do anything to get away from the rough area they'd grown up in (on council estates).

My best friend from 5 was from a council estate house much to my mum's dismay (not for that but best friend was neglected and then very naughty). BFs DB was in borstal etc. BF was the one to get pregnant at 18 partly to get a council flat partly to get away from her mum. She eventually moved to the Essex and did a right to buy on her council house there along with her mum, she also now has a small BTL portfolio with her DH. Almost everyone I know went down the RTB route or bought property when they could afford it. Anything but the council houses/flats they lived in. The estates weren't too bad, some had problems on and off but no much more so than other estates. The petty crime was the main problem in our area. FFW a few years and the area has become positively upper class quite villagey and I bought a flat in the area and BTL with family.

I have an acquaintance who has a council house nearby, got pregnant at 15 but an upper class/middle class, doctor father family. She was by her own admission the black sheep for getting pregnant unmarried. Had no option to get a council flat. She thinks council property should stay that way rented only no RTB yet conversely when her DM died and she was the sole carer she wished she'd have been left as per her DMs wishes (but not put in a will as Her DM suffered from dementia and didn't change her will) that her DMs home (as her 5 other brothers and sisters apparently didn't care much (physically or emotionally) for their DM leaving lions share of caring to the acquaintance. I personally think with whatever money she is left for the house she should RTB as her job situation is precarious and she's unemployed right now but rents out her spare bedroom.

Another friend of mine don't know her situation re housing growing up has privately rented but been forced out of the private buying market in London area has saved a sizeable deposit but flatshared and now is renting a council flat on a nice estate in a naice part of London where most occupiers are owners (RTB) and she got the flat rental as she's an Occupational Therapy assessor for a council (but contract not perm). She plans to do RTB.

Some of the estates in the London area are truly awful you only have to go to Brixton/Stockwell to realise the scales of poverty and crime, ironically my mum worked as a teacher and SENCO there in 80s/90s and helped the kids on the estates with social workers. Most speak English as a second language, crime is rife etc... But even so lots of the younger generation want nothing more than to move out as they're stigmatised.

So council like can vary from area to area but I think the "salt of the earth" stereotype is wrong and fits people nicely into little categorised boxes.

Friendly it varies too, I've had estates where I would not go in daytime for fear of a knife being drawn on me and estates where attitudes are nicer, but still not necessarily friendly. All depends.

x2boys · 17/04/2016 11:05

What happened to Spruce court Helena ? I used to live in John Lester court when I was a student so I remember spruce court .

Tartsamazeballs · 17/04/2016 12:56

Council to me means some good and some bad:

Good:
A real mix of "local faces"- some tradesmen working all the hours, some long term disabled people, some single families, some private owners in their first home, looking out for one another, looking the other way now and again when dodgy stuff is happening but it's not going to hurt anyone, knowing the neighbours, popping in and making sure Doris is ok after her surgery, not having much but sharing what you've got, meeting up with the other dog owners at 10.30 on the field, shared public spaces- community cafes, saying hi to people as you walk down the street, huge 1960s pebbledash houses.

Bad:
Parents working long hours and not always knowing what their kids are up to, or working no hours and just not giving a fuck, the few antisocial idiots that ruin it for the rest of us (riding motorbikes on the path, breaking glass bottles, playing loud music at night), slopey shoulders (eg a wheelie bin got knocked over by a fox and the owners didn't pick up their crap as it fell into communal land so it's someone else's problem), "unprettiness"- if you're only just making ends meet you're not going to spend much money on planting your front garden and painting flakey windowsills, Next door neighbour kids called Chardonnay and Tequila.

Marmalade85 · 17/04/2016 14:02

Full time mummy

HelenaDove · 17/04/2016 18:45

x2boys

salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=2390

HelenaDove · 17/04/2016 18:50

More here.

www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=2406

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