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AIBU?

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to think the super-injunction couple and David Cameron could take a PR lesson from Justin Welby?

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LuluJakey1 · 09/04/2016 19:09

I think the dignity and humility with which Justin Welby has handled the disclosure about his biological father, the circumatances of the conception etc makes a fascinating contrast with the super-injunction couple and David Cameron.
Justin Welby's position is much more sensitive in terms of public scrutiny of morality, values etc, yet he has behaved with humility, openness and emerged from it all probably with new-won respect from many.
Contrast the super-injunction couple who have mishandled their seedy behaviour being exposed trying to cover it up and prolonged the agony and speculation and press interest.
Contrast also Cameron and his shenanighans this week over his family wealth and tax matters.
Welby has followed the three rules of PR in this sort of situation: Tell it all at once, tell it yourself and don't try to hide stuff. The other two have made a bigger mess by not doing, have encouraged further scrutiny and hypothesising and have emerged poorer in the perceptions of many because of their choices.

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bearbehind · 09/04/2016 22:20

To be fair, short of naming SI couple, it was pretty obvious who it was just from the descriptions so you're quite right- all the intrigue has just fuelled the fire.

TheoriginalLEM · 09/04/2016 22:24

Totally Agree with you OP!

What i can't understand is why this was done in the first place, why was the paper persuing this information? He must have consented?

But yes, respect to him and he has certainly hushed the seedy scum tabloids that would have needlessly turned htis into a scandal. Although i guess they have bigger fish to fry just now.

SaucyJack · 09/04/2016 22:24

Yes, we've certainly been well Furnished with gossip.

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londonrach · 09/04/2016 22:30

sorry op not answering your question here. Well....i had no idea who this couple was and knowing my knowledge even if i did know the name i wouldnt know who it is. Then i goggled.... newsthump.com/2016/04/08/sooty-takes-out-super-injunction-over-fisting-allegations/. Im shocked! .

oneowlgirl · 09/04/2016 22:31

I think I'm the only other person who doesn't know who the SI couple are either! How do people know this stuff ?

I didn't know who Justin Welby was until this thread either.

bearbehind · 09/04/2016 22:34

Wasn't the whole problem that it was only one of SI couple who got down and dirty theoriginal.

Either you or me has got completely the wrong end of the stick.

oneowlgirl · 09/04/2016 22:39

Wow - Twitter is very eye opening!

AdrenalineFudge · 09/04/2016 23:01

SaucyJack That's a fine line you're walking there

HarlotBronte · 09/04/2016 23:06

Why wouldn't the superinjunction couple just say they won't comment on their consensual adult sex lives? Most people would respect that more than this SI silliness.

Izzabellasasperella · 10/04/2016 08:38

The SI couple remind me of the Gillian Taylforth court case which she took to court to deny giving her husband a bj in the car. She lost the case and a bit of her dignity. She should have just said she did it and laughed it off.

Lucked · 10/04/2016 08:49

david and Samantha Cameron made the decision, as adults, to invest in an offshore scheme likely for tax avoidance. He has since described such schemes as morally wrong and condemned people for using them.

Under no circumstances is the average voter going to be sympathetic.

I don't know if what he did was similar or worse than Jimmy Carr. these things are both hard to explain and understandso. Ultimately DC had no chance of coming out of this with dignity.

AugustaFinkNottle · 10/04/2016 09:16

I think the super-injunction couple are quite correct, and indeed have played it well to draw the sting of the story.. There is no conceivable reason why we need to know their private business, and the reality is that tabloids only want to publish it in order to fill hundreds of column inches with repetitive prurient rubbish. The tabloid editors must be absolutely furious that, if they ever do get permission to publish, the story just won't have any impact precisely because we know who it is and it will have become old news.

Sallyingforth · 10/04/2016 10:22

I agree it's really their own private affair, but I'm just loving those puns in Twitter :)

freshprincess · 10/04/2016 10:33

I can't understand why the AoC is such big news. I got a breaking news alert On my phone. Why they were investigating his family tree in the first place is equally baffling. He has handled it well though.

EverySongbirdSays · 10/04/2016 15:23

Jimmy Carr must be loving this I must say, David Cameron publicly trashed the guy and called him all sorts.

I can just hear his weird laugh now. He will get endless mileage from this.

EverySongbirdSays · 10/04/2016 15:27

princess it's because the AoC is the highest ranking official in the CofE the Guardian of morals and family values etc.

But the Torygraph have shot themselves in the foot, everyone just feels sorry for the guy forced into this situation and appalled by their behaviour.

His mothers sex life was/is none of his doing and he never even got to meet his dad.

wombattoo · 10/04/2016 15:35

Lucked The Camerons didn't invest the money. It was DC's father who made the investment and DC inherited it

Cerseirys · 10/04/2016 15:41

Super injunction couple come as no surprise to me. I'd heard years ago than the less famous of the two had another partner. But I digress. Welby has handled this far better than the couple of Cameron and comes out with his dignity intact. Which is more than I can say for the other three!

Boogers · 10/04/2016 15:58

Lulu, ahem, 'seedy behaviour'?

What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is absolutely none of your business, public personality or private person.

For those comparing the sex life of the Twitter couple, the Twitter couple have a right to a private life, as does David Cameron. Cameron does not, however, get free rein to hide tax affairs hiding dubious tactics to hide millions, not thousands, millions of pounds in offshore accounts. We do not have a right to know Cameron's fetishes; we do have right to know his tax affairs.

And many politicians are doing that with their finances, but they just haven't been caught yet. I suspect there will have been many calls to many private accountant from MPs wanting to ensure their private dealings don't become public.

MadameDePompom · 10/04/2016 16:00

People's sex lives are their own business! I don't give a feck what people get up to in a paddling pool with other consenting adults. Neither should you.

YABU.

AugustaFinkNottle · 10/04/2016 16:37

I think the Telegraph has somewhat shot itself in the foot with regard to press regulation. There really was no good reason for them to go ferreting into Welby's mother's person history other than simple prurience, and I don't think anyone is at all impressed that they did so. So they've given ammunition to people who consider that sort of conduct really should be better regulated.

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LuluJakey1 · 10/04/2016 16:51

If you are a celebrity and make money selling stories about your private life to places like Hello or on BBC documentaries, and promote safe sex as a lifestyle choice for the charity you founded, to then you forfeit the right to control a story about your private life which reveals it as not like the image you promote, and reveals you not practising what you preach to others.

I am entitled to say I find it all a bit 'seedy'. I am not bothered by how they live -they are nothing to me- but it is hypocritical to preach one thing and do another and promote your life as something it isn't- particularly when you earn vast sums of money and public plaudits for what you preach and the image you have created. It is misrepresenting yourself. I have no sympathy for them.

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LuluJakey1 · 10/04/2016 16:53

My AIBU was not to do with the subject of any of the three stories, it was to do with how well one has been handled by PR in comparison to the other two being handled badly.

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MinecraftyMum · 10/04/2016 16:54

How does one go about finding out who this Twitter couple is?

I'm not usually into Sleb gossip but i'm trying and failing not to care with this one!

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