To think that David Cameron should resign?

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Presiding over a government that is trying to spin doctors and teachers into militants ,

Supporting a chancellor that has failed to reduce the deficit by his own standards and has delivered two hated and u turning budgets in a row, over the death of the British Steel Industry, is attacking renewable energy in times of climate change, is taking support from the ill and disabled is and NOW he has admitted benefiting from TAX AVOIDANCE????!!!!
This is all wrong. How many more years of this?

Nice radical

Well we only get one life and since you don't care what I say or think you won't mind me saying that I am really glad I am not you.

Bad behaviour is not limited to Corbyn supporters. Bad behaviour is exhibited by supporters from all factions.

So although you are very proud to "not give a fuck", it's a bit of a silly point to make.

You will find that as well as yourself " not giving a fuck" what others think, no one will give a fuck about what you think either.

So I'll be skipping past your posts in future as they are pointless.

I think Cameron should go. Glad hear about the protest at Downing Street.

Jimmy Carr 08.04.16

"I'm going to keep it classy. It would be ‘morally wrong’ and ‘hypocrytical’ to comment on another individual’s tax affairs."

I think people are less forgiving of Cameron, Osborne et al because they have busily been taking as much money as they possibly can from the poor and vulnerable while claiming "We're all in this together!"

Blair's Government was busy supporting those vulnerable people with public services, grants and credits.

Whether people agree with either party's policies isn't really relevant to the thread, but the patronising "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude of those currently in power is what has fuelled such anger.

Why can't he answer?

www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153669714896939/

Subtitled clip of BoJo on the campaign trail for Zac Holdsmith, being asked about DC and morality of off shore investments.

According to some posters this is a non story and has a straightforward answer.

So why is BoJo not answering?

Because he loathes DC and wants his job

But if he gets the job he'll be just as accountable.

Candykane25 What a shame. Never mind, I'll get over it.

Blair's Government was busy supporting those vulnerable people with public services, grants and credits.
While wasting billions on illegal foreign wars and allowing the banks to get out of control, starting the whole sorry financial mess.

Peregrine stop talking nonsense - DC invested £12500 - nowhere near the 70k you are bleating on about.

Not talking nonsense - according to today's Guardian "The Blairmore fund was officially open to anybody to invest in, but really only to those with more than $100,000, according to its 2006 prospectus."

Sallyingforth - newsflash for you. Blair hasn't been PM for almost a decade. Your fact-free attempts at derailing are amusing yet pointless.

Agreed saffy there's some pretty desperate whataboutery going on in this thread.

I have seen posters asking MNHQ to bring in a 'hide poster' option but I have not shared that view until now. Some of the views on this thread are truly repugnant.

I think this Guardian story from this afternoon is interesting. As I have said repeatedly he didn't actually avoid tax, he's guilty of badly mishandling the situation.

HMRC examined the tax return that the fund Cameron was invested in every year and issued a certificate. That's because that fund approached HMRC and registered with them and made sure they distributed almost all of their income, just like UK funds so investors paid UK tax each year.

In contrast, Jimmy Carr invested in a tax avoidance scheme that tried to diddle HMRC out of UK tax revenue. When HMRC found out about it (it's not like anyone tried to tell them), they prosecuted the case in Court.

The two situations from a tax evasion perspective are entirely different.

Indeed. Most sensible people can see the difference and even the Jimmy Carr situation was a case that had to be adjudicated rather than your local plumber taking cash in hand (straight out crime) rather than at the edges of what is lawful

(On J Carr: "A K2 scheme is not tax evasion. .... The scheme works because you resign from your business, and sign up with a K2 offshore company, who then loan you back to your business as an employee. Your salary gets paid into the offshore company, who then lend it to you, rather than paying you. And so because you’re receiving money on loan, and not as a salary, there’s no tax to pay."

Most sensible investors avoided K2 type schemes as it was risksy whether they were legal or not.

The real evil at the heart of our society is our high tax regime. We are taxed until the pips squeak these days with many mumsnetters paying 42% tax/NI on incomes which hardly allow them to pay childcare and mortgages, having paid £10k+ stamp duty just to buy a home and when they die having to give half of their taxed income back to the state in inheritance tax never mind the 20% VAT they also pay. We need radical reform. A total change of mind set. A much smaller state and much simpler lower taxes to remove the evil of high tax from our nation once and for all. Big state is a huge moral evil. There Tories are as wet as a cold fish and have done very little to remove this cancer of high tax from the UK.

Eustace
How about tax avoiders pay their tax and then we can all have lower tax.

45% paid on taxable income OVER £150,000.

Inheritance tax paid - at 40%, not 'half their taxed income' on estates OVER 325K

VAT at 20% paid by everyone.

Disingenuous bleating, from the usual suspects.

He's corrupt. Corrupt politicians should have to face re-election.

We are taxed until the pips squeak these days with many mumsnetters paying 42% tax/NI on incomes which hardly allow them to pay childcare and mortgages, having paid £10k+ stamp duty just to buy a home and when they die having to give half of their taxed income back to the state in inheritance tax never mind the 20% VAT they also pay.

Even when George Harrison wrote Taxman, "there's one for you, nineteen for me", it wasn't strictly true. You still had your personal allowance, and you still worked your way up through the rate bands, so that it was only the top slice of your income taxed at 19/- in the Pound.

Currently the highest rate of NI is 12%. Admittedly, it's a tax in all but name.

Radicalrooster
Whatever happened to decent dialogue? If you can't be bothered to engage in that, why post here then?
I am almost 100% sure I will be able to drive a car like that to Corbyn supporters etc as I can see where the paranoia is coming from. Life is not fair so hey lets just give every criminal free reign over their own actions and let the strongest win, eh?
There is a name and place for that kind of law or lack of it. Human society is not that place.
I think the best would be to tax the big corporations so the wealth doesn't keep getting concentrated in one place. You will have enough money to run the government and infrastructure of the country would be heavenly.
You should take that bitterness somewhere else. It's unfair to take it out on us.

Eustace
What Candykane said. We should tax the big corporations. I am happy to pay my tax but I need quality services in return for that kind of money. I am not ready to accept that I have to bail out these too big to fail entities despite being so small myself. It doesn't make sense to me.

Eustace and Radicalrooster
People like you leave a bad taste in my mouth. Of indecency I think. I never ever feel jealous of other people earning higher than me. Why can't you see there could be other reasons for the unrest among people like me? Why is your argument just "life is unfair so get over it and move on"? Is that the most substantial thing in all this debate or is it the shortest possible "argument" pea brains can manage?😡
Michael Fallon just managed to suggest that perhaps the reporters are the ones who failed (and not Cameron) by not asking the right questions from the prime minister! That is the level of intelligence and honesty and integrity of our Defense secretary. No wonder we have bomb blasts rocking Europe every other month.
But oh get a life and move on, right?

I think the best would be to tax the big corporations so the wealth doesn't keep getting concentrated in one place. You will have enough money to run the government and infrastructure of the country would be heavenly.
You should take that bitterness somewhere else. It's unfair to take it out on us

Tell me this. Imagine a fund manager in the City, personally responsible for directing the investment of huge pension funds into the markets, and therefore responsible for the financial futures of hundreds of thousands of people. How much do you think that individual should be paid?

I think val that people can project feelings into others and don't realise that not everyone feels them. So if a person is jealous or bitter, they think everyone else is jealous and bitter.
I think there are people who feel jealousy and feel who don't. Similarly here are people who consider all members of society equally and people who think only as individuals , the I'm alright jack mentality. One type of person cannot comprehend the other.

Imagine a fund manager in the City, personally responsible for directing the investment of huge pension funds into the markets, and therefore responsible for the financial futures of hundreds of thousands of people. How much do you think that individual should be paid?

Imagine a doctor, personally responsible for the treatment of hundreds of people and therefore responsible for the actual futures of thousands of people in their lifetime. How much do you think that individual should be paid?