To Think the Tories Are Actually At War With Disabled People?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

I've been mired in the grim process of my son's DLA being changed to the new benefit, PIP. During this time, I have heard the stories of other disabled people and their loved ones. This may make me biased. Or human.

On every forum I have been on for help, can see that thousand of other disabled people, their carers, appointees and loved ones are being pretty well tortured by the vicious cuts and the new, brutal system being forced into place.

Benefits advisers and people at charities in the front line trying to support people like us also seem to report they feel like the disabled are under attack.

Now I will never understand why the most disadvantaged people in society are being forced to pay for the mistakes of bankers and rich people. Losing DLA will be a blow to our family - most of all my son but all of us - we won't recover from. To multi millionaires like Campbell, no doubt it's back pocket change so they are incapable of understanding what they are doing to ordinary people.

The past few months going through this hell, I've often felt like we might as well cut to the chase, sew the lack triangle on our clothes, and wait for the work camp to open. And I don't say that lightly, as someone whose grandad was present during the liberation of Belsen. (Wasn't it another tory - Gove - who said historians got it wrong and the British were donkeys led by lions, or words to that effect - so we know the contempt in which we are held by these chinless wonders already).

AIBU to think that people like Cameron and IDS are targeting disabled people and their carers, specifically?

caughtup I am absolutely het up with you. More than that, I am angry.
You are very naive to fall for the rhetoric of finite resources and need to make cuts. Naive to not see through that bullshit.
I am able to have rational and intelligent discussions. I have a lot of knowledge and a lot of experience.
I'm angry and that is coming across very clearly.
Disabled and vulnerable people? Really? That's were it's needed to prioritise cuts? At the weakest point of society? Nowhere else you can think of?
I think you've been hoodwinked and yes, I'm angry that you are trying to justify this.
To me, a disabled person who is directly suffering and losing quality of life and loss of independence because of this.
Me, who worked for 25 years and now has a mountain of medical evidence to explain in meticulous details the difficulties I now have and yet the DWP behaviour towards me is disgraceful, shambolic, most probably illegal.
No. You do NOT get it. And yes. I am het up. And yes, there is no point YOU talking to "people like me" until you wise up.

Oh yes, resources are finite! That's why they let Google decide how much tax they paid instead of making them pay the amount they fucking owe! It's why their going after all the other tax avoiders and it's why George Osborne's father is writing a big, fat cheque right now to pay the tax he owes!

But they're not because it's much easier to go after the sick and the disabled.

I'll leave this here, roll my eyes and hide this thread. Clearly as a person with disabilities who claims PIP and who works in a field that is being devastated by cuts but still sees them as necessary I clearly know nothing.

All I hold is a contrary view point to your own and you don't like it.

I agree that resources are finite, the issue is how they are allocated. The problem is that there have been occasions when the system has been abused, they are not as many as some of the scaremongering articles in the press claim and therefore there has been a more stringent approach. I think is very sad that deserving cases are caught up in this.

I disagree, it's the poor they hate. If you were disabled and well off, I don't believe they'd have a problem with you.

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am alright, Jack so stuff the rest of you.

Caughtup I'm very sceptical of several of your claims especially given your views. And your posts are becoming increasingly offensive.

The cuts AREN'T necessary, if companies paid correct taxes, the banks repaid the bailout money, trident wasn't replaced, mps didn't fraudulently spend the country's money, mps didn't have 2nd homes they don't need paid for out of taxes, and money wasn't wasted on bombs that will make things in the middle East worse we'd have enough money for those that NEED it!

i do wish the vile tory ares lickers could stay away from threads like this.
there is no excuse for why scameron and his ilk are targeting the disabled.

We are lucky we havn't hit PIP yet, but we have been stuck in the merry go round of hell that is.... ESA and contributions towards residential and pads.
for ages.
the end result will be a broken family and an adult in ft residential care. so no money saved.
yet still the people who I wilL now term as TAL's try to defend this shite

I agree that taxes should be paid by big business and mps claims be appropriate, however that does not mean that resources are limitless. I do think there needs to be tighter regulation in order to ensure benefits are targeted where they are needed. It is sad that genuine cases are made to feel so unhappy, but for the small but significant group who make claims that are not justified we do need regulation.

There are plenty of people who make do with aids and appliances but it does not mean their needs are met. They are putting themselves at risk. What choice do you have when your partner has to work to pay the bills? Skip a bath? Miss a meal? Miss your pain meds? Maybe you're "lucky enough" to have a care package arranged by social services but your morning carer is running late and you're going to wet yourself if you don't get out of bed and go right now. You physically can get out of bed but it's not safe and it's not dignified.

CaughtUpNearTimbuktu May as well have posted 'I'm all right Jack so fuck you'.

I no longer qualify for help even though I need a carer for nearly 20 hours a week. I just dont need a carer for enough tasks. I 'only' get 6 points.
Tasks such as shopping and housework are not even included.

The benefits system is broken

It is sad that genuine cases are made to feel so unhappy

I think it's a bit more than "unhappy"

but for the small but significant group who make claims that are not justified we do need regulation.

Who are they? What is your evidence for that?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12191676/George-Osborne-clears-path-for-tax-cuts-in-Budget-with-1bn-benefits-raid.html

and it gets worse

Fucking hell. That article is depressing. What is happening is a disgrace to this country and I for one feel ashamed. I don't receive any benefits but I chose to live in this country and pay my taxes here because of the social welfare system, a belief in the fairness of the NHS and a hope that the most vulnerable in this country will be looked after.

The resources are there. The wealthy elite, of whom the UK has more than any other county, spend their lives working to avoid paying taxes. Bacon is correct, the resources are there in those other ways as well - primarily subsiding the mistakes of wealthy bankers.

Those of you who have been brutalised by this system and patronised on this thread - it's shocking and horrible. There are those of us who are "all right" sitting by watching the most privileged people in the world take straight out of the hand of the poor to pad the lives of the well off and feel helpless. I can only hope the horror of it all will become apparent to more people and that the tides will turn.

The evidence on those people who are abusing the system is through the reports on where benefits have been withdrawn and reported cases, there are clearly cases of people abusing the benefits. That said these are the minority, taxpayers are going to be more resentful and less willing to pay if there tax goes to undeserving cases. This country has a welfare state, an nhs and provides for those in need, but those who Re working particularly those who work and struggle to provide should not be paying taxes for those people who Re abusing the system. There is clearly subjectivity in whT some belive is fair and the debate perhaps should be around that area.

ffs

WTAF? pontytidy

Here, dear, have a with your proto-fascist Kool-Aid.

Pontytidy The mionority are guilty, so everyone else is guilty until proven innocent and are made to suffer.

Nice world you people create.

Wait, what?

Caught is a person with disabilities, claiming PIP, who works in the field?

Weren't you over on another thread propagating your views while fluttering your eyelashes and saying you might be mistaken because you didn't know how disability benefits worked?

And lots of people took the time to explain them to you?

I am not arguing that we should have blanket cut of benefits but that those that the system ensures that they are give to those who need them. Given resources are finite many tax payers see their services cut and many of those are on low income, if you are working on low income and paying taxes to contribute to benefits when you are getting less and less benefit then you will be less willing to contribute

Sadly the abuse of the system has meant that there needs to more regulation -yes, just the same as other areas of life

I'm a taxpayer, Pontytidy. My disabled DH was a working taxpayer until his disability meant he had to be medically retired. Given that DLA is an in work benefit, many of the people in receipt of it will paying taxes - and many will be "working and struggling".

I believe that a few - a tiny, tiny minority - undeserving shysters getting something they're not entitled to is an acceptable price to pay to ensure the genuinely needy have the safety nets in place they need. So please make it clear in future that you don't speak for all taxpayers.