To think people should be prosecuted for filming scenes of serious accidents?

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I've just been reading about a pregnant woman who was stabbed today, apparently lots of people stood around afterwards filming and taking pictures.

Now I'm in two minds about this, if it's being filmed I order to help police with their enquiries then fine. But if, as I suspect, it's some voyeuristic thing, then I think it should be an offence.

Filming to provide evidence or whatever fine. But then you give it to the police and get rid.

Filming it to put on the Internet, to sell to the media or just for "fun" not acceptable

YouTube already has a policy to remove disturbing content, not everyone who records this even uploads it online, or are not the originators of the online submission. Disregarding the fact that a lot of these videos have been used by major news sources/police, and stills for print media where do you draw the line

It's a social norm that has moved into the 21st centuary, however distasteful rubberknecking and standing around watching has gone on forever, asking for prosecution is a draconian, slippery slope.

I think it's ok if you are going to hand it over to the Police as evidence. I think if you are filming for perverse reasons then you should be prosecuted.

TheGreatSnafu Your friend was wrong imo. If one had thrown a punch then that would have helped the police immensely since eye witness reports are notoriously unreliable.

Then why post it then stumble?

There always has been questionable sites online since the dawn of the Internet, rotten.com etc, (and there always will be) you can find truly disturbing videos on live leak but are from journalists, where do you draw the line.

Someone on my Facebook uploaded a video of paramedics attending the scene of an accident. So many people blasted him for this. His reaction was if you don't like it unfriend me. So I did. Complete attention seeking dickhead!

I think if you are filming for perverse reasons then you should be prosecuted

There is the first step on the slippery slope...

I've been filmed in a park treating a cardiac arrest, it was in a park and people bought their children over to watch.

What possible motive people have for this sort of behaviour I really don't know but it happens all the time then gets posted on 'spotted in.... sites. It disgusts me.

Filming it to put on the Internet, to sell to the media or just for "fun" not acceptable

The first two are reasonable, in the third: define 'fun'.

was put on YouTube.

Bloody good job too

Handing the Ian Tomlinson footage over to the police instead of posting it on the internet would have been really helpful, wouldn't it?

There is the first step on the slippery slope...

I don't see why. It would just out the people that were perverse enough to film enough someone elses pain and trauma for the purposes of putting it on the internet for kicks.

I don't agree with censorship but I don't believe this is censorship. Just like revenge porn is now a crime, I think this should be. People should be able to have those who film and flash their traumas online prosecuted and forced to remove them.

Buckin
Take my word on this one, I have a vested interest and yes, it beggars belief
Of course the emergency services were trying to move people on and the majority of decent people did exactly that.
But there were people who remained, filming the whole thing, in spite of the young victims (who later had to have limbs amputated asking them to stop).
You weren't there, you didn't see it, you don't know those brave young people.
It may sound unlikely in your opinion. I wish it was. Maybe keep your opinions to yourself unless you were actually there and know the people involved?

Exactly limited there are many occasions that uploading videos and or pictures to the Internet direct has forced police forces and governments to account.

The line is a fuzzy one, if we are to look at it objectively 'prosecution' is a draconian step based on an emotive argument.

I don't see why. It would just out the people that were perverse enough to film enough someone elses pain and trauma for the purposes of putting it on the internet for kicks

Considering you are against censorship, using such terms as woolly as 'for kicks' is a little contradictory no?

Revenge porn is a different argument and is rightly a criminal activity, 'outing people' within this context is a draconian point of view IMO

No. Not at all. There's a difference between filming for purposes that will aid in evidence and doing it because your an attention seeker and want to attract people without giving a care that there's an actual person going through trauma.

We'll have to just disagree with our opinions.

I agree, we will have to agree to disagree as your not willing to go into the muddy waters of where to draw and define the murky line between the two...

No I'm not, I get the impression you aren't so much interested in debate as you for having me agree your opinion is fact. I've told you where my line would be, you just don't agree.

The OP asked an AIBU, I agreed with her and gave my reasoning. You don't agree with my opinion, that's fine, it's AIBU there's plenty of differing opinions around.

There's a difference between filming for purposes that will aid in evidence and doing it because your an attention seeker and want to attract people without giving a care that there's an actual person going through trauma.

But how to you know what's going to be evidence? It's a bit late turning on your camera after it's happened.

is the most famous bit of filmed evidence of all time.

And the event was traumatic on a personal level for JFK's family but also for the whole world.

Should it have not been shown?

I'd like to think that people filming/photographing tragedies do so only after ascertaining that they can't assist in any way. And that it is a way of dealing with the shock of witnessing something dreadful; the modern equivalent of talking it through. That's what I'd like to think anyway...

Recently, there was a dreadful accident in a town near us and there is a photo taken by a bystander of people walking past the scene. The look of utter disbelief on their faces is very powerful.

limitedperiodonly I mentioned that in my comment above- putting it on the internet for all to see for entertainment. It should be handed over as evidence or deleted, not just uploaded to somewhere for people to gawp over.

Evidence is evidence, it will be shown on the news for example. Traumatic and unpleasant it is but the difference imo if the intent behind it. Evidence isn't malicious, uploading it for the lols and likes is.

OhMrBadger You would hope that someone would do CPR rather than film wouldn't you?

This whole AIBU has reminded me of the Black Mirror eisode where someone was chased by camera filmers.

No I'm not, I get the impression you aren't so much interested in debate as you for having me agree your opinion is fact. I've told you where my line would be, you just don't agree.

I'm sorry if I come across aggressive, it's not intended and just me being shit in general etc..

I am interested in debate, I want to know where this arbitrary line in the sand is between an age old problem of people rubber necking updated into this centuary, and a situation where we are in a situation where we can actually hold TBTB to account via socail media, the rough and smooth belong in the same sphere of censorship.

I am using extremes but the 'prosecution' and 'for kicks' is IMO a slippery slope argument.

tealoveryum in this particular instance the emergency services were already on site (clearly visible in photo) so nothing else could be done. But, yes I know that my first thought would be to help and not film. And even if I couldn't help I wouldn't film or photograph it as it seems so distasteful. But I have looked at photos such as the one I described so perhaps that's just as bad? Not sure...

But what counts as the news? tealoveryum Conventional news outlets might not want to show it.

What about The Sun and the images of Hillsborough? People were shown dying behind the barriers and dying on the pitch, yet still lies were told about them for more than 20 years.

It wasn't simply The Sun, though it was the worst. The images were there and people simply refused to look at the truth.

There were people helping the injured and dying. We can see them on film. If those images were not taken, we wouldn't have been able to eventually see the proof of the lie.

Evidence is evidence, it will be shown on the news for example. Traumatic and unpleasant it is but the difference imo if the intent behind it. Evidence isn't malicious, uploading it for the lols and likes is.

I think your misunderstating the reliance our news outlets have on social media, there are many stories that have gained traction purely from someone uploading some inane or controversial video.