To think secular groups should be allowed to object to faith school admissions?

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The education secretary, Nicky Morgan, wants to ban organisations from objecting to faith school admission procedures, to “stop vexatious complaints against faith schools by secularist campaign groups”.

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According to the article linked to above, the government will carry out a public consultation on the proposed changes.

The NHS is a very unusual beast in its open door policy. Not many institutions, be they current or historical, have managed what it has managed. It's not really feasible to hold other institutions to its standards.

It's not ignorant BigDorrit if you think otherwise than you have been misinformed.

"The NHS is a very unusual beast in its open door policy. Not many institutions, be they current or historical, have managed what it has managed. It's not really feasible to hold other institutions to its standards."

Why not? No other public service, as far as I know, discriminates on religious grounds. Why is it OK for schools to?

But, as I've mentioned earlier, many schools also discriminate on grounds of sex. Hospitals and public sector organisations wouldn't be able to discriminate on these grounds either. That's before we even get into the debate about discriminating on the grounds of performance in a certain test.

That's not what I'm saying. But if we're arguing against one form of discrimination as the basis for schools admissions, shouldn't we argue against all?

Start a thread about other forms of discrimination and I'll happily join you there. This thread is about discrimination on grounds of faith.

However- as far as I know, being either a girl or a boy does not give you a choice of 30% more schools than if you were the other sex.

No I don't think it's right to insist that Muslims attend a Catholic Church for example so they can go to a Catholic school. It's there choice , however it would be unusual for parents to want their dc to attend a Catholic school if they are Muslim. If they did choose to they can attend a Catholic Church or find a school more suited to their child's needs.

"No I don't think it's right to insist that Muslims attend a Catholic Church for example so they can go to a Catholic school. It's there choice , however it would be unusual for parents to want their dc to attend a Catholic school if they are Muslim. If they did choose to they can attend a Catholic Church or find a school more suited to their child's needs."

What if your local school is Catholic?

We're back in "Get over it" territory, aren't we?

I think it's really unfair that not all schools are equally good. However the reason all schools are not equal is largely due to the home life of the pupils. That is what needs campaigning for, more support for families , more interventions , child poverty rates vastly lowered etc.

Ime if there is a girls' school then there is also a boys' school within the area. If there is only one of one sex then, yes, I would call that discrimination as well. If there were schools where only non-faith children could apply then I wouldn't have so much of a problem with faith schools. Realistically though I can't see what a faith school can provide that parents and church leaders can't.

"I think it's really unfair that not all schools are equally good. However the reason all schools are not equal is largely due to the home life of the pupils. That is what needs campaigning for, more support for families , more interventions , child poverty rates vastly lowered etc."

And preventing schools putting in place admissions criteria that act as a form of covert selection in order to exclude more........challenging.....sections of the community. Now I wonder which sort of school does that?

"It's not discrimination though anyone can attend church, there are no conditions and no charge."

Schools educate children. Children have no control at all when it comes to issues of faith or church attendance.

If I were a Christian I would be too ashamed to actually express some of the attitudes shown on this thread. Even if that's what I thought.

Ban grammars religious schools single sex schools and have a lottery for admissions so no selection by parental income.

There.

Bert as I said in my first schools faith schools are often a child from a challenging backgrounds only chance if going to a good school.
Faith schools are the only good school you can't buy a place in through paying for private school, a tutor for a grammar or an expensive house in a good catchment area.
My best friend grew up in care and had her first dc age 19 living in a very deprived area. She left school age 15 with no qualifications. Her eldest dd was admitted to a faith school, it was in the top five in the city of around 40 schools. My friend was still a single parent at the time and her dd in receipt of free school meals. Her dd is now in sixth form predicted A* without that school place things would have been very different.

Bert as I said in my first schools faith schools are often a child from a challenging backgrounds only chance if going to a good school"

So why do faith schools do everything they can to keep such children out?

And why do you think that only Christian children from challenging backgrounds deserve this chance?

I don't but it is better some children get the chance than zero. Or would you rather have " equality" with every child from a deprived background in a poor performing school.

Bert faith schools do all they can to encourage such children.
My local church for example frowns upon people who do not live in the local ( deprived) area from attending the church. The pastor tells middle class villages from surrounding areas to attend their own local church.
The church in question has many children attending the top faith schools in the city.