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To think you'd have been called a conspiracy nut...

44 replies

AnotherEffingOrangeRevel · 25/02/2016 11:15

... if you'd have suggested in the 70s/80s that there was widespread institutional cover-up of systemic child abuse in the BBC?

Perhaps this should make us think again about not outright dismissing some of the things people get called nutty for suggesting these days. Establishment circles can cover up a LOT.

OP posts:
gabsdot · 25/02/2016 14:00

Has anyone seen the film Spotlight
It's about the journalists who uncovered the Catholic Churches cover up of clerical child abuse
One of the best lines was
"If it takes a village to raise a child, is also takes a village to abuse one"
Loads of people knew, (including the journalists as it happened) and did nothing.
The same seems to be true with this scandal in the BBC

mummymeister · 25/02/2016 14:11

yes of course I know MiB is fictional - derrr. I just always find that particular bit really funny and it always pops into my head when I read about conspiracy or conspiracy theorists.

lifesalongsong · 25/02/2016 14:17

I think that it was quite obvious to a lot of people that there was something not quite right about JS's behaviour even in the 70s and 80s but I don't think the thought process extended as far as linking it to an active cover up within the BBC.

Things were different then, doesn't make it excusable but it attitudes have changed a hell of a lot since then.

Imo it's quite possible that there will be similar things in the future but I very much doubt they will be any of the bonkers conspiracy theories that are around now

cleaty · 25/02/2016 14:18

Abuse of children and women is often covered up by multiple people. Look at Rotherham which is recent. It would help if people started believing when children and women say they are being abused, instead of denying it.

And yes this happens frequently. I have seen it on many threads here when women talk about a particular situation where their Husband, boyfriend, father or brother is accused. He is nearly always defended, and the girl, women is nearly always lying, has trouble with the truth, or is mentally ill.

It is these attitudes that mean child abuse and abuse of women continues to be ignored.

mimishimmi · 25/02/2016 14:21

I think it's fairly openly covered up OP as some other things are also. As in everyone knows it's happening but they either want a piece of the action or are scared of consequences.

BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2016 14:31

What happened to the journalists that tried to run the Newsmight piece about Savile's abuse?

That was in 2011.

You wouldn't have to go back to the 70s or 80s to find it hard to have people take those claims seriously.

Werksallhourz · 25/02/2016 14:34

Weirdly, I don't think you would have been called a conspiracy nut.

It was a fairly common view that Jimmy Savile was a dodgy bloke round my area in the 70s and 80s. He was often in our area and young people, particularly girls, were told to keep away from him in that specific Northern warning style where you say something fairly innocuous but in a loaded tone with a certain look in your eye.

I definitely remember that people couldn't understand why the BBC still had him on JFI in the 80s because, by that point, it had become blatantly obvious there was something not right. But, by that point, JS was appearing on national TV wearing a string vest under his open shell suit jacket, smoking a cigar with kids on his knee.

Sometimes, I wonder whether the BBC thought that was what Northern men were like, and JS was seen through that lense.

It is worth remembering that the notion of "duty of care" is a fairly recent development though. It wasn't quite the same in the 70s and 80s; these were the days before crb checks where, on a local level, such protection policing was a lot more "informal". Of course, those "informal" mechanisms that stopped "that odd bloke" getting involved with scouts on a neighbourhood level didn't scale when it came to national institutional entities, such as the BBC or the church.

I'm afraid that I view the BBC Jimmy Savile scandal as another example where the majority of the Public is very aware of a problem, but a public institution can't see it for toffee or simply ignore it because it is so inconvenient.

Buzzardbird · 25/02/2016 15:27

Things were different back then (wrongly so, but definitely different) Teachers having relationships with children at my school were commonplace and quite open. Can you image that now?

BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2016 15:45

Things weren't that different in 2011.

The80sweregreat · 25/02/2016 15:56

Gabsdot, i saw Spotlight last weekend. Good film, i feel so sorry for the victims. Covering things up has always gone on. It didnt surprise me.

SymphonyofShadows · 25/02/2016 16:06

Many people 'knew' on some level that there was something about Savile that wasn't quite right though

BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2016 16:14

"On some level" makes it sound like they intuitively knew he was a wrong'un.

What Lydon says there is that people actually knew what was going on, but were not "allowed" to talk about it.

There was a conspiracy. People with influence made sure that information was suppressed.

It wasn't all a big oversight.

So YANBU. You would have been discredited (even in 2011 you could lose your job) for talking about this.

SymphonyofShadows · 25/02/2016 18:56

I think a lot of people did suspect there was something off about him though, without ever having met him.

RhiWrites · 25/02/2016 18:59

I think the reptile thing could be true.

Think of Gordon Brown smiling, Ed Miliband eating a pasty, Ed Balls standing on stage, David Cameron supporting football teams... It's not as though they're doing the best job of pretending to be human.

BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2016 19:02

Sure, my Dad thinks it was just bizarre that anyone ever thought he was anything other than a creepy weirdo Grin

But there were also a lot of people who knew what was going on and who were prevented from speaking out.

And that was still happening in 2011.

And, according to Tony Blackburn, is still happening now.

SymphonyofShadows · 25/02/2016 20:51

Yes, the Blackburn thing is very odd.

Birdsgottafly · 25/02/2016 21:11

Liverpool, as a city was laughed at because 'we' wouldn't shut up about the Hillsborough Disaster.

It's shocking how deep/high that conspiracy went.

I feel the same about some medical stuff, even in my lifetime, I'm 47, there has been turn around a and 'old wives tales' proven to be true.

My Nan's Doctors still thought that babies were born blind and the night air was different.

When I was younger I met former MWs who were told, in training, that tickling a baby's feet gave them fits.

Kummerspeck · 26/02/2016 11:04

The thing is that we judge things with the knowledge and attitudes we have now so younger people look at Saville and are amazed it could happen where those of us who are a bit older and remember those times are amazed at the scale of it but know how it could and did happen because things like that happened all the time. It doesn't make it right in any way to say they were different times but there was a lot more went on then as there was no social media and ordinary people had less of a voice.

I am becoming less trusting of the powers that be and the media as I get older. I do feel very suspicious that a lot still goes on that we, Joe Public, are not aware of and that is not in our best interests but am not convinced we will ever know or have any power to influence. I'm not sure if I am becoming more aware or on my way to a tinfoil hat Grin

Kummerspeck · 26/02/2016 11:06

Btw Birds Have to agree about Hillsborough, that should shake the faith of all of us into those in power. All credit to those who have fought on for justice

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