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AIBU to sneak into uni lectures even though i'm not a student

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Lecture · 24/02/2016 13:53

I am in fact a SAHM Blush. We live in a university town and every Wednesday my DM has the baby for the morning so I get a break. About a month ago I ordered a book from waterstones and picked it up from the university branch. I'd never been on the campus before and couldn't believe there was no security or need to show any student ID. After i'd been to Waterstones I got a cup of coffee at one of the cafes and had a wander round the grounds.

Its lovely there, lots of (cheap) restaurants and cafeterias and you don't need to show ID to use them Shock

The next week I went there for lunch and looked around the library for a few hours.

Today I was wandering around and sat on the bench outside the lecture hall. There were hundreds of students milling around and the lecture schedule on a big flat screen TV on the outside wall. Anyway i watched them going in to each room and there were loads of spaces in the halls (big double doors open so i could see in). Then I was looking at the schedule and there were lots of interesting sounding lectures on. It suddenly occurred to me that i could probably just go in and sit in on one without being noticed by anyone. There were quite a few mature students so I don't think i'd stick out too much.

Now i'm home I think I might be being a bit mental (and possibly a bit post natal) to consider essentially stealing lectures I haven't paid for. I haven't told DH or DM i've been hanging around the uni Blush

AIBU (or do you think I could get away with it)

BTW, can't believe the username Lecture wasn't taken!

OP posts:
unadulterateddad · 24/02/2016 14:42

Do it, when I was at uni we used to swap lectures all the time - fairly sure we used to get members of the the public in some ours.

Synatlf · 24/02/2016 14:42

As a lecturer, I would delighted to have someone in my class who was there simply out of interest, but I do know all my students so I would definitely notice you (and probably welcome you)!

Lecture · 24/02/2016 14:43

I told DM I had just gone to get a coffee and wander around local park with my kindle. Kind of true as local park is next to Uni

OP posts:
gooseberryroolz · 24/02/2016 14:43

I'd go for it. If they wanted to prevent people getting in they would / should make more effort to do so

I really dislike that argument.

Unis are still pretty civilized, security-light places that run on the basis that everyone there behaves reasonably. There are fewer and fewer environments like that left.

Regardless of the answer to OP's question/dilemma, please let's not fall into that 'if they want to prevent people...they should make more effort to prevent...' line of thought.

justmyview · 24/02/2016 14:44

I think it's a bit cheeky just turning up. Why not send an email to one of the lecturers to ask if it would be OK?

Our local Uni allows non students into the library. I think it's something to do with charitable status / being of benefit to the general public

liptolinford · 24/02/2016 14:45

If I were a lecturer, I wouldn't mind you doing this. People seem to get really uppity about others sneaking into films, having bought only one ticket, at the cinema though so not sure why there's been a different reaction because it's a lecture.

ABetaDad1 · 24/02/2016 14:45

Lecturers like interested people - its the university authorities that get sniffy. I used to lecture and just liked students that were interested in a subject and turned up and asked questions.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 24/02/2016 14:45

I don't see why the OP wouldn't understand any of it, vague.

Surely it'd depend on the subject? I doubt anyone would get much out of a maths lecture without knowing the subject quite well, but you could go along to a lot of English Lit lectures just out of interest. You might not get as much out of it as the students, but I don't think you'd be completely in the dark.

LetTheRiverAnswer · 24/02/2016 14:47

I've never thought of campuses as forbidden places - I hang out at our local uni sometimes - go to the art gallery and charity shop, have a cup of coffee or lunch. My children have swimming lessons at the pool and occasionally go to family shows at the theatre - there's a woodland footpath around it too, which is open to anyone, so it seems to be quite happy for anyone to wander in :)
When my husband worked at the uni (pre children) I used to while away a few hours reading random books in the library. I wouldn't have the courage to wander in to a lecture, but I might email and say I was considering applying, could I come to a lecture to get a feel of it, and test the water that way

MrsSeanBean · 24/02/2016 14:48

Gooseberry, I didn't mean it in that way, more in a sense that it doesn't seem as if it is that important if non students came in, as the university obviously hadn't thought about to that extent, or even put up signage to that effect?

JessieMcJessie · 24/02/2016 14:48

Just go- what's the worst that can happen- you get asked to leave by a security guard? People who pay course fees are paying for a lot more than lectures- they get seminars, course materials, marking, pastoral care and of course a degree at the end. You're not reducing places for paid students, don't give it a second thought. Just pick busy ones and don't go into a seminar by mistake in case they ask you questions!

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 24/02/2016 14:48

I guess you could always sidle up early and ask the lecturer if they mind you sitting in? good luck. students pay for the lectures / seminars / student facilities and services/ assignments / exams / marking / personal tutoring etc so one or two lectures is neither here nor there in the student fees so unlike others i don't think you are taking anything for free that will cause an issue except in terms of security or if there was not room for a 'paid up' student. have fun.

Skrewt · 24/02/2016 14:48

Can't understand the "ethically dubious" argument - you're not going to awarded a degree or anything other than what you hear from it so you are NOT taking anything from those students who have paid, etc. I'd go for it OP and I don't think you sound bonkers either - I think I'd do exactly the same in your shoes.

AlpacaLypse · 24/02/2016 14:50

About the only thing I can think of that is wrong with doing this is if there was a fire and heads needed to be counted during evacuation. But since it sounds like movement around this building/campus is pretty unrestricted, I don't think that would matter too much. Shops don't count heads in and out and this is effectively the same.

As for the rather snooty remark upthread about OP not understanding the lectures as she won't have had a chance to do the pre-course reading, pfff! First year undergraduate lectures are frequently pretty basic, especially if they're in a non-standard A level subject so the entire room is starting from an assumption of ignorance! Anyone who watches plenty of BBC2 level factual programmes will be absolutely fine.

EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 24/02/2016 14:51

When I was at university (back in the Dark Ages) some of the popular lectures like those by Germaine Greer were packed out with students of other subjects. I went to Stephen Hawkings' lectures didn't understand a bloody word mind despite it not being my subject. I also used to sneak into the second half of concerts, no one checks tickets and if you go in lateish you can see where empty seats are. It's not stealing, it's the redistribution of cultural capital to the masses Grin.

VagueIdeas · 24/02/2016 14:53

Well I studied English Lit and am pretty sure some random off the street wouldn't have understood very much without some prior knowledge of eighteenth century Gothic fiction / Romantic poets / 20th century modernism / whatever. Like I say, it's undergraduate level stuff, not "talking about books".

My main objection, however, is that it's a weird and quite dishonest thing to do. And there are equally fun ways to expand one's mind without sneaking into lectures under the pretence of being a bona fide student.

EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 24/02/2016 14:57

Oh do me a favour Vague. OP is a SAHM, that doesn't mean she may not have read Northanger Abbey/Don Juan/Ulysses or whatever. It's not weird to enjoy intellectual stimulus as an adult.

SomeDyke · 24/02/2016 14:58

"If they wanted to prevent people getting in they would"
My uni isn't a campus university. Some buildings are open access, but not all (like the medical school, for example, where you need ID to get through barriers, and the library). But this isn't really for the benefit of random people who might fancy listening to a lecture, but more for the convenience of students and promoting the idea that it is an entire university that you joined, not just one School or Department. Ditto for staff.

But if too many people abused it, we would have to tighten security.

But attending a lecture when you aren't registered for that course, or haven't asked the lecturer? In small lecture theatres, I would consider it as very bad manners -- and if asked, I'd expect you to leave. Because when I'm lecturing I'm not there for the general public, I'm there for my students. Okay, as long as only a few random people attend larger lectures, no one is going to mind too much. Unless, of course, they are running out of seats already.

But if it became more widespread, then more checks would have to be enforced. Being open works only as long as not too many people abuse it! And after all, you haven't paid any fees, some part of which pay for my time preparing and lecturing, and the upkeep of the lecture theatres!

For postgraduate lectures, I would certainly expect even student attendees (research students, for example, as opposed to taught masters students) to ask before sitting in. And we would tend to know, because at Masters level with overseas students, we often use lectures as a place to register attendance for visa purposes (as we are required to do in some way).

But in the main, many lectures are not going to be at a level where a non-student, or even a student from a different School, is going to be able to gain much -- you won't have the requisite background knowledge! Which is why most universities do have public lectures designed for a non-specialist audience.

Would you, after all, go into a cinema screening, or a theatre performance, that you had not bought a ticket for, even if you knew that no one was checking the tickets because they trusted people to be honest? It's kind of like that if you as a non-student use university facilities -- you haven't paid for them, whereas our students have!

notamummy10 · 24/02/2016 14:59

It depends on class size!! But my university tends to monitor attendance by scanning our student ID cards so you wouldn't be to at mine.

Universities put on public lectures so why not attend one of those? I don't think YABU though.

I do find it a bit weird that the public can roam an university though especially as there are vulnerable students there.

PuppyMonkey · 24/02/2016 15:00

If this were a book or a film, something terribly interesting would happen to you when you did this and it would lead to all kinds of shenanigans. Definitely keep doing it. Grin

WizardOfToss · 24/02/2016 15:01

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emilybohemia · 24/02/2016 15:01

This reminds me of the Gilmore Girls episode I watched last night!

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 24/02/2016 15:01

No need to sneak in now - there is loads of stuff online now from world class lecturers - make the most of it.
I live in London and a few years back was working with some of the top colleges selling them some software. I freely walked into lectures - why would anyone know or care?
Now it is all up there now - use it!

liquidrevolution · 24/02/2016 15:02

Pick a subject where there are lots of students so you are less likely to stand out. I used to go to Literature lectures (150 students a lecture) a lot when I was an archaeology student (30 students a lecture).

As for id needed for uni libraries, I work at my local (former so I know my way around) uni library quite a lot and you dont need a student of staff card to access it, just needed to access the wifi and take books out. It has books I need for my work and it saves a much longer commute into my office. Plus its much warmer than my house at certain times of the year.

On the other hand the security at the Bodleian in Oxford is much heavier so I pay for a membership card.

I havent been a fullt ime student for 10 years and was only a very part time post grad so I enjoy sitting on campus again. OP you are not weird at all!

squiggleirl · 24/02/2016 15:05

it is theft plain and simple and it's unethical

Bullshit. What has she stolen? Her presence does not exclude anybody else. It is a lecture, not a practical. It takes no more effort to talk to 100 pairs of ears as it does 101 pairs of ears.

And as for unethical? How? She is looking for nothing other than the opportunity to learn. She will receive no academic credit for sitting in on these lectures, she is taking from nobody else.