Advice / advise

[lilyb84]

You give advice (noun). Or you advise (verb). Has anyone else noticed the latter being used to mean the former ALL THE BLOODY TIME?!

AIBU to think this is going the way of apostrophes being used in plurals and everyone's favourite 'could of' and entering written language as acceptable usage?

It shouldn't bother me but it does perhaps because I'm 5 hours into a newborn cluster feed and just want to sleep dammit. Oh god, am I becoming the grammar police?!

Perhaps you should teach your DD the correct use of 'have ' instead of 'of' Maryz whilst you're being so picky about it.

Unless you were being ironic....

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/grammar-pedants-fewer-interesting-200809031225

maryz, I'm sure you didn't mean to, but it does come across as a bit condescending to respond to a (presumably adult) poster by explaining what your (presumably non-adult) DD is learning.

I don't particularly notice advice/advise as an issue, but do get irritated when people 'correct' me for spelling words -ize at the end (which is acceptable in both US and UK English).

That said, this is actually my biggest grammar pet hate.

You should of posted this in Pendant's Corner

I nk it's pretty clear that Maryz's first post was tongue-in-cheek.

Not because I think that being ""dyslexic = being thick, but because she will, whether she likes it or not, be judged in her professional life if she continually uses words incorrectly.""

Depends on were she works, my DD is at Managment level and no-one bats an eye. The area manager will go over documents that have to go to court, but other than that, my DD is well supported.

In my SW office, other than court docs, mistakes were made and people supported.

It's the workplace that we should seek to change.

If people judge LDs of any sort, they are disgraceful human beings.

YANBU.

I have mild dyslexia - predictive text helps me a lot but it takes me a long time to read and write things out. I honestly hadn't noticed practice/practise were spelled differently or licence/license. I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference.
I know the difference between advice and advise but they are pronounced differently which helps me to remember.

It's the workplace that we should seek to change.

Agree with that. There was an interesting piece in the Guardian the other day about someone dyslexic trying to get his workplace to support him/her, and I think it is changing. Not that this means teaching any child to use spellcheck properly is a bad thing, though.

Guardian piece: www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2016/feb/19/ive-finally-admitted-that-im-a-dyslexic-academic-and-im-terrified

Ronda - no, in the US the use of advice and advise is the same as here. Advice = noun; advise = verb.

In the US, 'license' is the only spelling - no licence.

'Practice' is both verb and noun, but you can use 'practise' for verb too (but this is less common).

bbcessex I think Maryz post went right over your head.

......and you only picked up on one of her deliberate mistakes

katenka I don't mean any offense. I'm personally not actually bothered by people's use of incorrect grammar or spelling, I've just noticed this particular example cropping up increasingly and wondered why - your point that predictive text has a lot to do with it is an interesting one. Many of my (nom-dyslexic) friends often end up using defiantly instead of definitely for just that reason!

To be clear - not judging anyone, more just wondering where these things arise and how they end up being quite prevalent. Which you may have answered there

I know the difference between advice and advise but they are pronounced differently which helps me to remember.

I think this sums up why I'm particularly intrigued by misuse of this word since the two examples are pronounced differently (unlike license/licence, practise/practice etc).

Great article oysterbabe

I'll go away and stop pedanting now...

maryz, you might want to get her to look at the Equality Act. It's slow progress, but recently someone did manage to win a discrimination case for dyslexia. www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/09/dyslexic-employee-wins-discrimination-case-starbucks

I do hold out hope that we'll change workplaces. I feel a bit sad when I hear people making that same old argument 'it can be too easy to use it as an excuse'.

Do you also feel that people who use wheelchairs for chronic fatigue are using them 'as an excuse', and should really make an effort and walk? Or that people who use glasses for short sight should just make the effort, peer at the page and read?

I imagine not!

It's not a good idea for anyone to rely too much on predictive text, I agree. But katenka was making her point in the context of typing on MN, which is not somewhere where anyone should be judging too seriously.

Btw, I don't know if it is reassuring or not, but I got my current job with mistakes on my CV/cover letter. Obviously, I would much rather they hadn't been there, but it is comforting to realise that employers do take dyslexia into account. I spoke to them about it after I got the job, and they had noticed the errors but understood that I was dyslexic, too.

I've been very lucky, but I do feel this is a sign of things changing.

Oh, I think I follow you, sorry.

And I only noticed what you said because you'd picked her up on it on MN - I do see it's different if someone is doing a job with an element of precision.

I agree with you 'I can't' can be unhelpful. There's a certain freedom in saying 'I can't do that' rather than the lengthy 'well, I could, be x and y and z and ...' explanation, but you're right, sometimes it's better to say 'I can, so long as I do it like this/get that support'.

(Oh, and you're absolutely not offending me - probably the reverse - I'm just conscious of it as a rapidly changing issue at the moment.)

I was being over-protective.

They are being taught grammar now - arguably too much, and in a way that has made some linguists express doubts. My mum's tutoring a child in primary school who is meant to be learning about adverbial phrases, while he's still not very sure about how to make a plural.