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Concerned about my DS' shyness and reluctance to do things. Am I doing too much for him?

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vicaramelia · 15/02/2016 23:35

I have carefully considered which section to post this in and I understand AIBU is the place to post when you want frank, unfiltered advice. Here are the background details. DS is 14, will be 15 in a few months. Has always been quite shy. As a little boy, when I would be out with him in public, if anyone tried to say hello to him he would just stand there and say nothing. I would then have to make an excuse for him and speak on his behalf. I suppose that with hindsight, that could have been seen as cause for concern but I didn't see it as a problem at the time. I just saw him as my pfb who couldn't possibly have anything wrong with him. I'm sure it's the same for a lot of mums. As he is now in the stage of life where is expected to be increasingly independent, I feel there is definitely something wrong, but do not know how to help him. Social interaction with people he doesn't know has always been a problem for DS. It just doesn't come naturally to him the way it does for most people. He is very timid and sensitive. He also hates going to new places and meeting new people.

I would like to discuss school first of all. When DS was at primary school, I spared no effort in making sure he had friends coming over to the house. The thing is, the friends who came usually only did so because I was friends with their mums. He does not seem to know how to make friends on his own. He doesn't know what to say when he first meets someone. He can come across as being a bit...aloof. He will often just respond with one-word answers and will look at the ground instead of maintaining eye contact. The shyness is also affecting his work. There are no problems with his written work that he does on his own, but he absolutely hates working in groups. He will do anything to avoid having to stand up and read something in front of a class. Hates being the centre of attention and will usually be the quietest person in the group. When he is in a group who are having a debate or discussion, he will rarely contribute anything and won't usually speak unless someone speaks to him first. He is dreading doing oral exams for his GCSE's. I don't know how he is going to cope with those. I am as worried as him.

He is also struggling with the social side of life away from school. He will not go to the hairdressers to get a haircut because he hates talking to the hairdresser. He stopped going when he was 11. I do it for him at home. If I didn't do it, he would have long hair and would be a laughing stock at school. I would not subject him to that, but I realise I can't keep doing it forever. He also will not take public transport. He won't get the bus anywhere because he doesn't like talking to the driver. He used to get the bus with me when he was younger, but it was always me who interacted with the driver and paid them. He's also never been on a train, and wouldn't go on one unless someone was with him. If he ever wants to go anywhere I take him in the car. If I didn't then he would just hide away in his room all the time and not go anywhere. I also make all his appointments for him, including dentist, doctors and going the opticians for his eye tests (he wears glasses). I have to do all the talking as he won't speak to the receptionists or doctor or dentist himself. If he ever wants to buy anything he will ask me if the shop has self-service tills so he won't have to talk to a staff member. A friend's DS who is 16 just got a job recently. She is understandably beaming with pride. He apparently visited various local employers to ask if they had any jobs and handed in his CV on his own. I can't imagine DS doing that. If I suggested trying to get a part time-job he would probably look at me like he had just seen a ghost. If he can't deal with hairdressers, bus drivers and receptionists, then how is he going to deal with job interviews? I feel he is slipping behind his peers, and especially other teenage lads. They all seem to be brimming with swagger, confidence, and a willingness to grab life by the horns, so to speak. DS is very passive and doesn't seem to want to try things or push himself.

I've been frantically dr googling various mental disorders but I haven't found anything that seems to fit DS. Is there anything that seems like a red flag to anyone reading this? Am I right to be so concerned?

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RhodaBull · 18/02/2016 09:07

I don't think we can decide if OP's ds is "on the spectrum" via the internet, so all we can do is offer up our own experiences/strategies to see if OP recognises anything or finds anything useful.

A word with the GP might be a good idea, but if the poor lad is suffering from terrible shyness and awkwardness, a fistful of tranquillisers is only going to dull the problem and a talking therapy would be more beneficial.

coffeetasteslikeshit · 18/02/2016 09:14

OP you could have been describing me as a teenager. Every single thing you wrote was true of me.
At the age of about 16/17 though I got fed up of being so crippled by my shyness and started pushing myself. I started off small, Eg forcing myself to go up to a stranger and ask for the time, and by the time I was 21 had found the courage to travel abroad by myself for a year. That was the making of me and no-one now can ever believe that I was once shy.
My advice to you to is to gradually let your son so things by himself, so that he realises that he can do them and that over time things get easier.
However, if he has ASD then that may not be good advice, I don't know!

Mammabrown · 18/02/2016 09:21

Yes gradual retreating from doing stuff is a good idea

LifeHuh · 18/02/2016 09:32

I've no expertise in ASD, but am just commenting from my own experience of shyness.
I was amused by the bit in the OP that said that talking to people he doesn't know 'doesn't come naturally to him the way it does to most people' Really not sure that most people do find that talking to strangers comes naturally but it certainly doesn't to me! And I hate it,still - I am much better now cos I am older and don't care so much,I've HAD to talk to people in my role as parent ( and my job involves dealing with the public) but its taken a while (I'm in my 50s)
I know that my not on the spectrum DC (15 and 21) would be still be happy for me to talk for them now - I still have to push, and encourage , and I still get 'but what do I SAY..' in agonised tones... Then I would tell them, just say '.....whatever'
Once they can do that they can start to improvise! As with many things its the starting that is hard,
I hope you have success helping your DS, OP, whatever is behind the problems he is having now .

Notmycircusnotmymonkeys · 18/02/2016 09:40

My dd is certainly similar. It is not just a reluctunce to speak, it is a fear of speaking. At home, however she is relaxed and chatty like a different person. Is your ds like this?
My dd has had a dx of Selective mutism which is a anxiety disorder. If your ds is able to communicate in some places (i.e. at home) without difficulty it would be worthwhile googling sm. She has had intervention from speech and language therapy and it has not been easy but she is making progress. Hope you find the answers you both need.

Getyercoat · 18/02/2016 09:41

I'm not going to suggest your son is on any spectrum. Some people are born introverts, some have social phobias. My dad is in his 70s and has always been like this.
I often wonder what 'normal' is supposed to look like. We are all so different.

I would encourage a little more 'standing on his own two feet' but do it gently. Little by little.

Personally I wouldn't go down a medication route at his age. Talking therapy can help a lot if you think it's necessary.

mylittlepeanutface · 18/02/2016 09:52

I was exactly like this as a teenager. When I was 16 my friend got me a job working as a waitress in the pub where he was working. It was the best thing for me because I was forced to interact with members of the public all day long. It really brought me out of my shell and improved my social skills so much. 15 years later I still hate talking on the phone and getting on the bus but I can just get on with it now, it doesnt affect my life at all.

RhodaBull · 18/02/2016 11:56

I often wonder what 'normal' is supposed to look like. We are all so different.

How true. I think it's good to strive for "a bit better" regarding social interaction - just enough so that you can operate without having a panic attack at the thought of dealing with people. Some people are never going to be outgoing, confident souls with masses of friends or able to stand up and give a presentation or even manage to breathe during a spoken exam.

TeenAndTween · 18/02/2016 12:07

Does he want to improve?

Can you discuss with him what would be the least scary first step?
e.g. he says 'good morning' and then you do the rest of the conversation?
or he hands over cash without speaking, but says 'thank you' at the end while looking at the floor, then improves to 'thank you' whilst looking at the person?

Can you role play with you or another adult he knows well?

Would he stand in an empty field and shout out loud maybe to see if he can get over is self consciousness when alone?

This must be really hard for you, and for him. But it is starting to seriously effect his life so needs to be addressed.

LesleyDy · 29/05/2019 20:14

Hi,
Looking for advice. My 15 year old son is suffering from social anxiety. He has gone from being a quiet but happy lad who would meet up with friends, to in the last year not wanting to go anywhere or see anyone apart from communicating with friends on his xbox. We found out that he has been the victim of some fairly prolonged bullying at school continuing at home as cyber bullying however as he wouldn’t talk about it the school were reluctant to act on it. We had a bit of school refusal but he is doing his GCSE’s and he’s managed to go in for revision and exams. He tried counselling but says it doesn’t help and is refusing any more. The Cahms wait was so long we have taken him to a private paediatrician who has suggested antidepressants, does anyone else have any experience of this as we are slightly concerned about it. Thanks

HomeMadeMadness · 29/05/2019 20:21

Definitely sounds like social anxiety with or without some underlying cause (ASD?). I think this sounds fairly extreme and I would want to get him therapy ASAP. Good luck OP.

HomeMadeMadness · 29/05/2019 20:23

Oh sorry Zombie thread @LesleyDy you're probably better off starting your own thread. Have you tried talking therapy? Might be a good first start instead of/in addition to antidepressants. Beta blockers might be a better first step when dealing with temporary anxiety (you can take them as needed and have fewer side affects than most antidepressants). There are also online CBT (e.g. Mood Gym) which can be helpful if you can't afford therapy. Best of luck with your DS.

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