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to not answer my phone to withheld/Unknown/unrecognised numbers

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LonerDave · 10/02/2016 18:38

It drives me nuts.

But am I BU to not answer these calls

I always assume they are nuisance calls.

OP posts:
dementedpixie · 10/02/2016 21:33

It's a messaging service like messenger

PootlewasthebestFlump · 10/02/2016 21:42

I work for an NHS Trust too. We communicate via Text, Email, Letter and Telephone - landline or mobile. Client's choice as to preferred method.

Our number shows up as 'withheld' and we warn clients of this when they sign up for treatment.

Why might we ring instead of using other methods?

Well, for instance, a client may be on hold for a soon appointment - and if a slot becomes free an administrator will call to get someone on the waiting list booked in.

Or, the time I was taken violently ill on my way to the hospital required phone calls to my clients to cancel their appointments - texting is only used as a back up if we cannot get hold of them.

We also at times need to request more information or have further discussion with a client prior to or during treatment - we would not do this via text or email, it has to be telephone.

We avoid sending appointment letters by post as it was costing our department alone £30,000 per year. We email them instead - but guess what, they often go into 'junk mail' and people don't turn up to appointments.

To avoid missed appointments we send reminder texts to people 24 hours before their appointment. But lots still don't turn up - 'didn't get it'. So sometimes, as a clinician, I call people the day or so before their first appointment with me, to check they are coming, and know where to come (our clinic is hard to find).

In addition, we do a lot of our client work over the telephone, especially in the early stages. You'd be surprised how many clients, despite being told it will be at an allotted time, from a 'withheld number' will not answer the phone because they don't take calls from unknown numbers. We always warn them, we always text - and often also email. But it still happens.

I hardly think it is a 'system that is clearly not working'. It's pretty bloody efficient. We do all we can to reach clients in whichever way is most appropriate for them.

Consequently, if I get a call that is withheld, I assume it is NHS or similar going through a switchboard. I have never had a junk call from a withheld number, ever.

Bunbaker · 10/02/2016 21:43

"or WhatsApp"

I doubt it. I don't think hospitals or other large organisations use WhatsApp. We don't in out house, although I might consider getting it when we go away so we can keep in touch with OH.

PootlewasthebestFlump · 10/02/2016 21:45

NHS would never use WhatsApp in its present form. We use Skype Business though.

foragogogo · 10/02/2016 21:59

Yep phone messaging, uses the phone number like a text, but free. I am self employed and often have to speak to random recruitment agents etc. They all contact via email whatapp or linkein. Mybgp and dentsit send texts. The school phone number shows up and they email and text everything too.

I find I am perfectly able to carry on my life and business while rarely speaking to anyone on the phone, which is how I like it as I am rubbish on the phone.

foragogogo · 10/02/2016 21:59

Sorry? You doubt that I use WhatsApp? I use it daily?

Thisismyfirsttime · 10/02/2016 22:01

I think the point being made is that we within the NHS can't WhatsApp you, we will call you from a withheld number because we can't help it!

londonrach · 10/02/2016 22:05

Tbh before this id never heard of whats apps and really cant see how id use it my patients in their 70, 80 and 90. Telephone is really the best way of contact for loads of reasons already stated.

janethegirl2 · 10/02/2016 22:08

Although I get the NHS issue (as I work there) I will not answer withheld numbers as a matter of principle.
Texts are different, I can choose to read them or ignore them.
But I will never answer a call from a withheld number.

foragogogo · 10/02/2016 22:08

Good for you!! The OP post had nothing to do with the NHS, they were taking about nuisance calls. I have no need for contact with the NHS and the few times I have done its all been via letter. I did once have to change an appointment time and tried to contact patient bookings via the phone but they never answered or returned any of my messages so I eventually went in while I was going past and changed it.

No one has said the NHS should be using WhatsApp and I think most people realise they can't send messages at the moment,, though many organisations likes schools use commercial (secure) messaging application like Clarion Call which convert typed text to phone messgaes so there is no reason why they couldn't. God knows there's been enough money spent on NHS IT.

bigbluebus · 10/02/2016 22:11

I've had 2 'withheld' calls today. One was the District Nursing team returning my earlier call to them, the 2nd was one of those pre-recorded message - not sure what it was about as I hung up before it got past the 1st 3 words.

I have an HCP who rings me from her office phone and it comes up 'unavailable'.

Our GP surgery calls are always 'withheld' and they ring me fairly frequently. No DCs at school any more but those calls were always 'withheld' too.

So too many important calls to miss if I didn't answer just because of the caller display. Basically I answer everything. If it is a recorded message the phone goes down within seconds. If it is an unsolicited call from a call centre I just say "I am registered with TPS so you shouldn't be ringing me" and hang up. Can't see the problem really.

londonrach · 10/02/2016 22:13

Forago...dont get me started on our computers within the nhs. Mine was heading out the window today as it hung whilst i was trying to get patient notes up. Honestly i miss paper notes! At least they worked! Just google whatsapp. I dont have iphone or blueberry just a simple cheap phone so not sure it work for me. Take it linkin is the same.

PootlewasthebestFlump · 10/02/2016 22:14

I remember the days when people actually RTFT because then their posts made more sense...

sunniest · 10/02/2016 22:17

I'm in the NHS and have this same problem. Our phone goes through a switchboard so comes up as unknown number. We can only leave an answerphone message if you have a personalised voicemail message rather than the generic one. We are not allowed to email and have no access to texting since they removed it from NHSmail. I'm in childrens services and always try to ring parents to make appointments as they are more likely to turn up if we have discussed what fits best with their schedules (work/nursery/school pickup). Sometimes I cant get hold of anyone and end up sending out a batch of appointment letters but I get a lot more DNAs this way as well as lots of people phoning to change their appointment times at the last minute.

foragogogo · 10/02/2016 22:18

Yeah you'd probably need a smartphone Rach. At work you can only use the tools they provide you, its not your fault the tools are crap and badly implemented. If the NHS were trying to contact me I'd get their letter and, like everyone else, if I was trying to make an appointment and waiting for their call I'd temporarily answer any withheld numbers.

I tend to find most of the spam calls come from actual numbers anyway, just ones I don't know.

MadisonAvenue · 10/02/2016 22:18

During school hours I do as the main school number comes up as being withheld, teachers tend to use their own mobiles though so they just show up as a number anyway.

londonrach · 10/02/2016 22:24

Forago my mobile phone the cheap simple one is mine, i dont get a work phone. I only use my phone to text and phone and dont always take it with me. Cant tell you how amazing and free you feel. Someone once called it a dumb phone. Had it for years and very happy with it. Dont need to charge it up very often. Anyway this isnt what op was talking about. What we all saying is some with held calls are not junk. If i needed to contact you quickly i couldnt as i cant within the nhs contact you on your preferred method of contact.

BackforGood · 10/02/2016 22:32

YANBU as such, if you don't want to - that's your choice, it's not about being reasonable or not.

However, I would miss quite a lot of calls I need / want to take as so many organisations come up with no number.
Indeed, IME, the annoying sales calls tend to come up with a number from 'Belfast' or 'Norwich' or elsewhere where I don't know anyone.

Pseudonym99 · 10/02/2016 22:47

School's shouldn't be using witheld numbers. Otherwise how are you supposed to know they rang if you missed the call? I work nights, so have my phone on silent only allowing the phone to ring if it is the school. If they witheld their number they would have to wait for me to wake up to get hold of me.

Pseudonym99 · 10/02/2016 22:58

NHS numbers are witheld due to patient confidentiality
In which case, why do letters from the NHS have 'NHS' stamped all over them?

2rebecca · 10/02/2016 23:22

NHS numbers are witheld because staff get pissed off with people not bothering to answer their phone then calling 1471 getting switchboard/ receptionist who the caller then expects to spend 10 minutes ringing round the building to find who called Maureen Smith earlier. If it's urgent (and you have a personalised answer message so the caller knows they have the right number) then if it's urgent they'll leave a message.

Motheroffourdragons · 10/02/2016 23:35

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MrsRyanGosling15 · 10/02/2016 23:44

2 days we had a woman lying in the morgue! All because her son "never answered a withheld number" No voice mail on his phone. We had to send the police in the end. He did say he was at home and had seen all the calls. I just don't get it.

Atenco · 11/02/2016 04:32

My ex-best friend has that policy, that is why she is an ex, because I live on the other side of the world, she does not recognise my number and will not pick up. No way of keeping in touch with her. As for my sister, again living in another country. I have to send her an email and make an appointment for phone calls.

Why won't you lot just pick up your phones?

littleducks · 11/02/2016 06:39

I work for the NHS and get this problem sometimes. I see children in school so like to call the parents to discuss progress and check everything is going ok at home. Some of my children who I see regularly I will have home school link books with to wrote notes to parents but I don't send letters with chatty info just reports.

I will call for a withheld number if I am in school X but calling about a child at school Y (say as a reminder for x parent to come or send something in the next day). If I have to use my personal mobile as I'm to busy to get back to base but made an appointment to call.

At my base some phones provide a number others are withheld. Probably dependent on what they were originally installed for. We hot desk.

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