to report these dogs?

[lunar1]

I walk my children to school and back every day. Due to a road with no footpath on one side and a canal on the other there is only one way to go, the only alternative is about a 4 mile detour.

Part of the path we walk down is about 1.5m wide with fences at one side to the house and railings to the other where the stream that runs off the canal is. I'm just giving the detail to highlight that there is no way to move further away from these dogs without swimming to school!

One of the houses on the corner/start of the path have removed their wooden 8ft fencing and replaced with iron railings. They have two huge dogs, and every time they see anyone they continuously bark and growl. They always seem to be in the garden with no owner in sight.

My children love dogs, but these two are starting to terrify them. My youngest is 4 and is asking not to go to school and crying. I reassure them that the dogs are fine and can't get out, but honestly they scare me too!

Would I be unreasonable to report them? And who too? They are going to have to either keep there dogs in or put the panels back up so they can't see the path.

The legislation includes a section on 'making someone worried or afraid', logically there's little chance the dogs could get out but the wording of the law is so loose and open to interpretation it could end badly for the dogs/owners if they happened to be unlucky with the officers/judge dealing with the case. I'm involved in dog rescue and you'd be amazed how often the Dangerous Dog laws are misused and misinterpreted, that's why a low level report to the council/dog warden/PCSO is most likely to get the required result. It only takes someone to make a full on complaint to the police that the dogs 'nearly had them' through the fence and it could escalate way beyond what the OP would ask for if she went the route I've suggested.

X posted with you kawliga, my comment was in response to the previous post.

Thanks to tealady for posting that link.

kwaliga

That bit you highlighted would be considered inconjunction within the realms of reality. A dog (or two dogs as in this instance) behind a 6 foot fence doesn't pose a threat.

Can you carry a temporary fence with you, like a bullfighters cape and a stick? You put that between your kids and the dogs and make a game of it.

And yes, bloody report them. the owners are dicks.

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What has fenugreek got to do with this thread?

tit

Op doesn't need to carry a fence because the dogs are already behind one.

Alisvolatpropiis

The fence the dogs are behind is railings, and the children dont feel secure.
Providing the children with a barrier of cloth or plants the dogs wont approach is one way to help them deal with the fear.

The op could also just say "aren't those dogs being silly! All the dogs you know are much nicer" and move on.

They are behind a fence. They are in a secure garden they are not therefore out of control

If they are hurling themselves at the fence and snarling they are not under the owners control. Plus small children dont know the railings are secure, they are looking at the dogs.

The youngest is 4. How logical is a 4 year old?

Oh for fucks sake.

This level of Special Snowflake is unbelievable.

Sorry, but the legal test is the legal test. It's on the government website for everyone to read and make themselves familiar with. 'doesn't pose a threat', or 'is in a secure garden' - those are not part of the legal test. The test was posted upthread, which states in addition to actual injuring:

makes someone worried that it might injure them

'Makes someone worried that it might injure them' means...um...'makes someone worried that it might injure them'.

'Makes someone worried that it might injure them' does not mean....'doesn't pose a threat' and doesn't mean 'isn't in a secure garden'

In case it helps you to understand this, there are many legal tests that depend on the perception of the victim, not on the actual objective state of affairs. So, waving a fake gun at someone and putting them in fear of their life is a crime even if you prove that it was a fake gun that can't fire and therefore 'doesn't pose a threat'

Alisvolatpropiis You've never had to manage The Toilet Monster, or Clowns In The Wardrobe, have you. Or night terrors, or any other fears that little kids have.

The only special snowflake here is the person who thinks a 4 year old should be SAS grade material.

Because that's exactly the same thing isn't it. Brandishing a firearm and a barking dog.

Trust me a "dogs bark when I pass the garden" complaint will get zero attention from anyone you might report it to.

Yes, because the OP has written 'dogs bark when I pass the garden', that's what she wrote, innit. Because OP is just a snowflake, and, like,whenever she hears dogs barking, she becomes irrationally afraid. For no reason at all. Her kids are crying for no reason, just that they heard dogs barking and that made them cry

The laws in the UK and USA are very different. You can carry a gun but not walk a dog off leash.

Here we can walk dogs off leash, but not allow them to intimidate other people. the law is the law. The fact you dont like it is irrelevant.

Tits

And are you going to report any of those irrational fears to the council? No.

Surely a parents job is to guide their children through what they should and should not be frightened of?

Dogs securely enclosed isn't one I'll be teaching my child to be frightened of.

kwaliga not sure how you're thinking I'm the one leaping to conclusions given you've brought guns to the discussion 🤔

Titclash I'm perfectly happy with the U.K. law, just not sure how it applies to this particular situation.

Dogs bark

yes, because the OP wrote 'my kids are irrationally afraid of enclosed dogs. Whenever they see enclosed dogs they just start crying for no reason'. This was following up on the bit where OP wrote 'I am teaching my kids to be afraid of enclosed dogs, because I am a snowflake'.

yes, for sure, this is a thread about dogs barking...gasp.

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I have said on many dog threads and I say the same here, twattish dog-owners are the greatest threat to dogs. Human beings are naturally inclined to love dogs. OP's dc love dogs. Everybody loves, or can love, dogs. People only start to hate and fear dogs because of twattish dog-owners who don't give a flying fuck about other people.

See how the OP on this thread is being depicted as a silly snowflake who gets in a tizzy just because she heard dogs barking.