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To Wonder What It Takes For a Smoker to Stop?

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MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 01/02/2016 14:51

My mum has smoked since she was 13 and she's 65 now. She is a very heavy smoker so her habit has cost thousands which she can't afford and had a serious impact on her health. She was diagnosed with COPD two years ago, has recurrent chest infections and is on inhalers for breathlessness. She has had a kidney transplant too so her immune system is weaker anyway and she catches every cold and bug - always going straight to her chest.

She was seriously ill and could barely breathe over Christmas 2014 resulting in an ambulance ride to hospital. She didn't smoke for two weeks and was determined to stop. But it didn't last, despite encouragement and praise and support from me, my brother and the NHS. First it was just one a day. Then two. Then back smoking in the bathroom. Then in the car. All the goals she set herself got disregarded as she crept back up to her usual level.

We had an argument two days after I gave birth to my third child in April 2015 because tiptoeing around the issue wasn't working and I was desperate for her to see that she was killing herself. She had almost died at Christmas and if she carried on the next infection could be the final one. It broke my heart that she didn't care about herself enough to stop. I tried to make her see that her children and grandchildren loved her and wanted her around. But smoking was more important and she didn't speak to me for five weeks after.

I was later diagnosed with post-natal depression and things have been very, very tough in all areas of my life. I spent lots of anxious nights worrying about my mother feeling everything from sympathy to sadness to anger to despair. It is hard to accept that someone throws money and their health away on something so unnecessary. For a long time I built a wall to protect me. I felt she loved smoking more than her family. She didn't even accept the link between smoking and cot death which made me feel like I was making it up to stop her smoking. Ultimately I had to learn to accept it or lose my relationship with her.

So imagine my surprise when four weeks ago she told me she had given up because the latest illness (causing bad breathlessness) had really scared her. She had been prescribed patches by a nurse at her GP's and was doing well. I was so proud of her, she seemed so determined this time. The patches were great and she was using the e-cig I had bought her last year. I was anxious about asking how she was getting on but she seemed to be doing really well. Her attitude was so positive. It seemed different this time.

But now it's creeping up again. The promises she made herself such as 'I definitely won't buy anymore' are being overturned. It was one every few days - now she's smoking three a day. It's the slippery slope I recognise from last time.

She has great support from the NHS and encouragement from her family. She's thrilled about the money she has saved in just a month. She has already said she is able to walk up the stairs without getting out of breath which she is delighted by and her latest cold didn't go to her chest for the first time. Her skin and eyes look clearer and she doesn't stink of fags! My brother needs a kidney transplant next year and I'm struggling with depression etc and she desperately wants to support us both. She ADORES her three grandsons and has a brilliant, close and loving relationship with each of them. So why can't she stop smoking?

I know it is extremely addictive, I know it is her crutch, I know it's been 52 years. But it is killing her and sucking the remaining money she has away. What will make her keep going with the patches / ecigs, stop smoking those final few cigarettes and give up for good? How can I help her, what can I say?

This is soooo long and I guess too long for most. Perhaps it will resonate with someone who can advise me. If not it's been cathartic to write down!

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PuntasticUsername · 01/02/2016 18:37

I see. Sorry for being nosey, it doesn't seem like a very relevant point overall!

Hope you get some useful advice from this thread, and manage to help your DM - Flowers for all you are going through, it sounds very tough.

YesICanHearYouClemFandango · 01/02/2016 18:45

Another recommendation for the Allen Carr book. I have at least 6 friends it's worked for too. Allen Carr used to smoke 100 a day. It's a really powerful psychological addiction - one which I think is impossible to understand if you've never smoked - but it can be beaten.

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 01/02/2016 18:46

Fair question Puntastic. Incidentally, the hospital where my mum had her transplant was the same one where George Best had his liver transplants. He had more transplants than were reported in the media because it was (rightly) assumed people would be outraged that an alcoholic who couldn't stop drinking kept getting transplants. It doesn't seem fair does it.

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MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 01/02/2016 18:58

Right, one Allen Carr book ordered on Amazon Prime so here tomorrow with any luck!

Yes I agree that it's impossible to understand unless you've been a smoker. That's why I kept trying to equate my mother's inability to stop to things I like such as Bacardi and coke or chocolate chip shortbread! I thought about whether I could give them up. And the answer was of course that I could because I'm not addicted to them! But I was so desperate to understand so that I could accept it and move on.

The addiction to smoking seems so pathetic in the true sense of the word. I just don't understand how the cigarette companies are allowed to put nicotine in their product?! Why is that legal?

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shebird · 01/02/2016 19:37

Also marking my spot to hopefully find a magic cure for my DH.

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 02/02/2016 12:14

Well the book has just arrived and my mum's on her way over so I'll quietly hand it to her and keep my fingers crossed!

I think her seeing smoking in a different way is key. Facts about her health, money, the stink etc have no impact - or at least only a temporary one. So I hope the book helps. It certainly looks interesting and I think I'll give it a read myself!

She is a great person who means so much to her family - I truly hope she can do this for herself.

To Wonder What It Takes For a Smoker to Stop?
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LittleLionMansMummy · 02/02/2016 14:04

I can't comment on the book really as haven't read it, other than to say that it was recommended to me by dsis and bil, both of whom are back on the cigs. I went cold turkey and haven't smoked for three years. I do think it depends on both your personality and your desire to stop. I'm very determined and was probably inspired more by a deep aversion to people telling me what to do and how to do it. So I had the determination to do when I finally acquired the desire. The desire came from a serious chest infection (think pneumonia) and never, ever wanting to find out what lung cancer feels like.

I recommend e-cigarettes too. Dh had smoked for 30+ years before taking up vaping. He feels a lot healthier for it.

alltouchedout · 02/02/2016 14:24

I am almost 35 and have been smoking since I was 11. I managed temporary breaks for pregnancies but went right back to it once they were born. I 'want' to stop in that I don't want to die or suffer a life limiting illness, look terrible, smell etc. I don't want to stop in that I like (genuinely, I always have, even the first one when everyone else was dizzy and sick) smoking. Also, and this is the bit I find hardest to communicate, I cannot imagine being me without being a smoker. Everything I have done in life I have done as a smoker. I don't know how not to be a smoker. Who the hell is a non smoking alltouchedout? What on earth would I do instead of smoke? It's actually quite scary to think about. I know it's pathetic, and sounds like nothing, but honestly, I am afraid to not be a smoker. Or to be me as a non smoker. I don't know how to explain it very well though.
I had an e cig, it was ok, it wasn't enough though. Next month I'm buying a much better vaping thing which a heavy (I'm not a heavy smoker, just a thoroughly addicted one) smoking colleague has used to give up tobacco.

Smokers are weird, I know. I work in recovery services atm and am told over and over by clients that quitting heroin and crack is easier than quitting nicotine. I can't say for myself whether that's true but if it is I wonder why.

magimedi · 02/02/2016 15:57

I am 60 & stopped 3.5 years ago by turning to vaping. Haven't eventhought about a cig for years.

The kit thefog mentioned in her post is certainly the right stuff for someone who has been smoking for some time.

If you want some help with kit, OP, or your mum does, come over to the stop smoking board & we can help you/her with links & general advice.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/stop_smoking

We may call ourselves "Vaping Vipers" but we are really friendly Grin

Same goes for you, alltouched

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TwirlingGoldfish · 17/10/2018 12:35

Another vote for the Allen Carr method. I went to one of the seminars three months ago today and haven't touched a cigarette since (or wanted to). Prior to that I'd smoked around 30 a day for 25 years. It cost three hundred quid, but I'd been spending 450 quid a month on cigarettes - so that's nearly 140,000 quid over my smoking "career". Ridiculous, I know. The feeling of liberation is incredible - sounds dramatic but I feel like a completely new - better, happier - person. I wish your Mum all the best and I hope the Easyway method works for her too x

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