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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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Original poster

to just book a room for two adults

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OnTheSunnySide · 06/01/2016 14:28

even though I will have my 5 year old with me too.

DH and I are going to a wedding. It costs an extra £50 to get a room with a child (Presumably they put another bed in?) but there are double bedded rooms coming up and we would just put him in bed with us.

How does this work - will they be massively narky with us if I turn up with a 5 year old but have only paid for a room for two adults?

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clarabellabunting · 06/01/2016 16:42

What about many people who meet someone on a night out and bring them back to spend the night at their hotel room?

Are they thieves? Their guests could flush the toilet, have a shower the next morning, use towels, etc.

Do they invalidate the hotel's insurance? Are they a problem in the event of a fire or accident?

ilovemydoggy · 06/01/2016 16:43

I remember when I was younger we only ever paid for a room for 2 if we was going out and had to book an hotel. Not very often would they be only 2 in the room as many as 6 would sometimes stay in that one room. I defiantly would chance it.

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OnTheSunnySide · 06/01/2016 16:44

I have emailed the hotel.

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fresta · 06/01/2016 16:51

I think the fire safety advice trotted out every time hotels are discussed is bollocks. People bring guests into their rooms all the time, or people pay for a room and then sleep elsewhere, a hotel would have no idea how many people they should be accounting for if there was a fire.

I would do it OP and have done. Hotels don't generally count you in and out or even check you in at reception. Only one of you needs to be there to check into your room. It's not like airport check-in you know!

GruntledOne · 06/01/2016 16:53

Well shoplifting and muggings are against the law as defined by parliament. Not adhering to a hotels T&Cs has yet to be declared a criminal offence. So I guess that's a "difference".

It would be obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, which is a criminal offence.

Skippedthelightfandango · 06/01/2016 16:54

Have a look at the Fraud Act if you wonder whether it is criminal..........

specialsubject · 06/01/2016 16:56

it's theft. Many on here don't give a toss because there's a lot of entitlement on MN. I presume they also wouldn't call the cops if they were burgled. They flick their hair in outrage if they consider that they don't get their money's worth from some useless item, but they are happy to steal.

'naice' morals. And they are bringing up their kids to think the same.

you know it is theft.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/01/2016 16:59

"What a lot of prissy people there are."

I think the word you are looking for is honest, Sandras.

I think making use of a service you have not paid for is dishonest.

LurkingHusband · 06/01/2016 17:21

It would be obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, which is a criminal offence.

I call bollocks. Your assertion, you cite. Case law, please .

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OnTheSunnySide · 06/01/2016 17:25

We have been offered a family room for £129.
Seems a bit more reasonable.

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HortonWho · 06/01/2016 17:26

The fire advice I'm "trotting out" is what I've been told- hotels are not allowed to add extra bed to a room unless it is X meters. Typically standard room is always smaller. The x meter room (bigger) is usually superior/other wanky category name.

I have no idea why the fire regulations the hotels are required to follow are as they are ... but I'm assuming they're made by the people who need to get into a smoke filled room and have enough floor space to rescue people?

Nothing to do with counting people exiting a burning building.

LurkingHusband · 06/01/2016 17:26

More food for doubt ...

what if the hotel did not charge extra for 3 in a room over 2, and a room was booked for 2, but had 3 staying ? Clearly no loss has occurred (so no civil claim). Also no pecuniary advantage.

I know (some) Travelodge and Premier Inns work this way.

SandrasAnnoyingFriend · 06/01/2016 17:27

Gosh, the prissiness has really ramped up a notch here, from the almost unbearable previous level.

I shall leave you to it and you can feel content that you are bringing up your kids better than I am ( was that actually a serious comment? )

TracyBarlow · 06/01/2016 17:34

A business can charge what they want for any services they want. If you don't want to pay for those services then go elsewhere. My husband runs a small business. There's always some joker trying to get something for free. He just tells them to take their custom elsewhere. They nearly always come crawling back.

rookiemere · 06/01/2016 17:35

Glad you've found a reasonable solution OP - unfortunately I don't think the evolving bunfight will be as readily resolved !

GruntledOne · 06/01/2016 17:56

Sorry, it's no longer described as obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, it's fraud under the Fraud Act 2006. Requirements to prove it are:

The defendant must have been dishonest, and have intended to make a gain or to cause a loss to another.

In addition, the defendant must carry out one of these acts:

Making a false or misleading representation.

Failing to disclose to another person information which he is under a legal duty to disclose.

No need for case law, statute overrides it. There is intention to cause a loss, namely the £50 which would otherwise have been paid.

Asskicker · 06/01/2016 18:12

Actually when fire brigade do turn up at hotels they do ask for guests lists.

I worked in a hotel for many years, we had a fire and my responsibility was to make sure an upto date list was printed for them on arrival.

Which they asked for when they got there.

If they pull someone out unconscious who can't tell the there are extra people in their room, it can be a tragedy.

The likelihood of this happening is very small, though.

I wouldn't do this as its dishonest. I can't get upset at people doing it though.

The charge isn't always just for the extra child/bed. It maybe that they have rooms that have no where for an extra bed. If you want an extra bed they have to give you a bigger room which is sold at a higher rate.

TheSecondViola · 06/01/2016 18:13

Would people shut up about fire and how would they know about another person....just think that through for a minute. Go on, think really hard and you'll see what a wanky objection it is.

VenusRising · 06/01/2016 18:20

I always booked online for 2 adults and brought a double duvet for the kids. They sleep on the floor.
Never had any problems with this except in Rome where they tried to get us into a horribly grim and dark "family room". We declined and while everything was a bit cramped, the kids loved "camping out" in the double room with us with the views and little balcony.

We usually up for paying 10€ extra per child in any double room, all arranged after the double booking is reserved online and then haggling negotiating at reception.

Most hotels are perfectly amenable to negotiation. If you say you're on a strict budget, IME they'll be sure to manage it for you so you can all have some kind of breakfast.

TendonQueen · 06/01/2016 18:47

That sounds better OP. I was coming on to say try asking the hotel for a better rate as I would expect to be charged 10 or 20 for an extra bed, but not 50.

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