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Jehovah's Witnesses

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DisappointedOne · 25/12/2015 10:50

Our local JWs have a habit of knocking on doors on Xmas day. (We don't actually celebrate anything on Xmas day so have plenty of time to engage them in a scientific argument conversation that can potentially last for hours.)

I'm happy for anyone to believe anything they like, but don't come pushing it on my doorstep.

Not sure how friendly a welcome they get at other houses. TABU, aren't they?

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DisappointedOne · 27/12/2015 11:55

Why?

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DisappointedOne · 27/12/2015 11:56

We weren't doing anything else though. Nobody forced them to stay and debate!

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alltouchedout · 27/12/2015 12:10

I haven't been door knocked for ages, I thought they'd all swapped to standing around in the street in their best clothes holding out pamphlets and chatting to one another as people walk past them?

LauraMipsum · 27/12/2015 12:13

I actually like seeing JWs at the door. I love that we live in a country where people have genuine freedom of religion. I've represented JW refugees (and people from other religious minorities).

Even i would draw the line at them knocking on xmas day. Although since they started what appears to be a never-ending stall outside the tube station they haven't knocked on doors at all.

Unreasonablebetty · 27/12/2015 12:57

Justbatteringon, I'm not Wikipedia, I only make it my business to be knowledgeable on things that really matter to me, funnily enough it's never crossed my mind to think, can I eat black pudding as I never have eaten it anyway. I know I'm at risk of being long winded (as only Betty does!!) but when the question was asked I thought no, because it has some blood product in it, BUT being unsure of whether the blood is completely cooked off during the cooking process I said as far as I am aware.

Also, you said that meat needs cooking until it runs clear, not strictly true, as one of the families in the con I attended until recently all eat their steak blue. There was quite the debate after I sat with my jaw on the table when out for dinner and these red steaks arrived!! All I could stammer was a point and, blood!
They explained that much of what we consider to be blood in the meat at supermarkets is actually food colouring, the public tend to like red meat, there's never really any blood left in the meat by the time it reaches the super market shelves.

I did however believe until this point it meant that everyone at my wedding who ate steak would be having it well done. So I put the witnesses orders in as well done, many many have it medium rare (which from my understanding is still quite red in the middle) I personally don't know much about the meanings of these cooking levels. I like my steak to be chewy so it's always v well done.

Oldraver · 27/12/2015 13:02

I cant stand the fuckers they are so condescending and rude. I asked them to leave my property once and they lectured me as to where they could go (I 'own' the drive outside so er yes I can tell you to bugger off)

When DH and I were having our pre wedding meeting with the vicar thye knocked on the door and asked him something along the lines of "have you heard the word"...He said yes he preached the word every Sunday as he was the local vicar...and they still prattled on tried to talk over him

And they ignore my Give Blood sticker on the door which i thought would ward them off

hereiamagain22 · 27/12/2015 13:04

they are right that there is little blood in meat - but they are wrong to think it's food colouring instead.

The red juice is created by a protein called myoglobin, which holds oxygen in the cells. The stuff that hold oxygen in blood is called hemoglobin. Similar proteins. Same red colour. Same function. One does it in blood, one does it in muscle.

Bunbaker · 27/12/2015 13:04

"They explained that much of what we consider to be blood in the meat at supermarkets is actually food colouring"

Hmm. Not true. They use carbon monoxide in the packaging to keep the meat red looking.

Unreasonablebetty · 27/12/2015 13:05

Sorry bumbler- I missed your post asking about what's I'd said RE duck,
It's not a jw thing, just me and some of my odd eating issues! I should have made it clear that I was babbling on about my personal habits not religiously enforced ones!

The only thing the JWs can't eat is game... And I only know this because one of my friends said about her son coming home having eaten a pheasant pie or something, and he had chipped his tooth on something that turned out to be one of the pellets from it being shot or something (again I have no idea, as game isn't something that I would eat) but the son that are game wasn't aware of this despite being a ministerial servant and having been baptised for six+ years at that point.

Bunbaker · 27/12/2015 13:10

Why no game?

Unreasonablebetty · 27/12/2015 13:10

Hereiamagain, thank you for explaining.
So now I kind of feel like I'm back to square one, if the meat is still red at time of serving, then haemoglobin would still be present- so blood is still in the meat?

  • glad I stuck to my well done steak!
Unreasonablebetty · 27/12/2015 13:11

Bi baker- no idea let me go check.

Notrevealingmyidentity · 27/12/2015 13:11

I didn't say that Betty. There was no need to be snide Hmm

I was asking for clarification.

No wonder people dislike you.

Notrevealingmyidentity · 27/12/2015 13:13

And actually being as I work in medical research I would consider myself fairly educated on that sort of thing.

Always willing to learn though as I said.

Notrevealingmyidentity · 27/12/2015 13:14

Quite honestly though I'm inclined to believe you don't fully understand what you've been reading and have misunderstood as many people don't when they read scientific articles.

Unreasonablebetty · 27/12/2015 13:17

Bunbaker not bi baker! Sorry auto correct! It's to do with the animals being bled properly, but I can't seem to find anything on jw.org- it's not the easiest of websites to search.

Notrevealingmyidentity · 27/12/2015 13:18

I'm still curious if you were actually referring to a genetic condition or not

calzone · 27/12/2015 13:23

Of course JW's eat game......

It just needs to be bled properly.....

Unreasonablebetty · 27/12/2015 13:24

Notrevealingmyidentity. I'm sorry but I don't know when I came accross as snide?
Any clarification you wanted, I'd be happy to offer. If it's about pages ago and my mother illness, I would have been happy to inbox you the name, but it being quite rare would seem unwise to just post here as it would be one of them things that would out me.
There's more chance than not I don't understand half of what I read, because he's as you've said, scientific articles are hard to understand, and I'm not the most intelligent of people. but really do you need to say things like no wonder people don't like me? Lovely.

Notrevealingmyidentity · 27/12/2015 13:29

Because you were quite rude to me. I happen to dislike being insulted for no reason.

"Just because you haven't heard if it doesn't mean it doesn't exist"

I said I wasn't aware of your mothers diagnosis and I did ask if I had misunderstood.

If you'd like to send a pm just for my curiosity though I wouldn't mind. I will leave you to it on the thread though.

Unreasonablebetty · 27/12/2015 13:37

Well maybe I replied in the way I did because it read to me like you were saying you didn't know of one so it didn't exist.

I didnt mention it to be cross examined or to prove some kind of jw doctrine to be true. I mentioned it as my reasoning once blood had been mentioned. Just my own personal reasoning. It probably wasn't needed but I do tend to babble on.

But no, I won't be satisfying your curiosity, don't tell me how no one likes me and think I take kindly to it.

Justbatteringon · 27/12/2015 15:23

The red juice is created by a protein called myoglobin, which holds oxygen in the cells. The stuff that hold oxygen in blood is called hemoglobin. Similar proteins. Same red colour. Same function. One does it in blood, one does it in muscle.
I mentioned this to my mother once. She told me she'd still feel it was wrong to eat it other than well done but she had a friend who would eat his medium. They folow they're own "conscious" they're unlikely to be disfellowshiped because of how they eat their meat at the end of the day. Some people watch things and read things that others would find too worldly it's each to themselves really and they have the elders to being them back into line if they go over it.
unreasonableBetty I just thought it was unusual because it's a common joke (about not having black pudding) between JW's that I've heard a number of times even when travelling.
Maybe I just picked up on it because I like my food.

Justbatteringon · 27/12/2015 15:25

I've never heard about not being allowed to eat game. I'll have to ask dm about that when I'm next talking to her.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 27/12/2015 15:33

I'm not a JW.I regularly eat game, including game I've plucked and cleaned myself. I've no idea what you mean about it needing to be bled.

A plucked and cleaned game bird is no different from a plucked and cleaned hen , certainly no different from the free range hens my mother and grandmother killed, plucked and cleaned on our farm.

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