Is this casual racism? Along the lines of ching chong jokes?

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I'm BBC (British born Chinese) and feel that it seems more permissible to be casually racist about Chinese than other racial groups. A few years ago there used to be a Chinese tea advert with a kung fu monk and really bad accent which just felt wrong to me. I don't think that kind of advert would have been made about jerk chicken or naan bread for example.

Someone just posted on my FB jokes with Chinese accent, one liners, eg.Tie my shoe Tai Mai Shu

OK, thats pretty rubbish but it was a long list of them. It wasn't to me personally.

I found it old fashioned and un PC. I feel if someone posted this with Jamaican or Indian accents it would be disapproved of.

Am I being oversensitive?

I agree with you OP. YANBU.

I find the people who make jokes like that are the same people who say they're going to the 'chinky' when they're going to a Chinese restaurant or getting a takeaway. I hate it. It might be casual racism and 'just a joke' but it's still racism IMO.

The guardian article on an fab is interesting, it is a bit too early to judge it though.

Katy Perry is often called racist and I think is treated quite harshly.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/04/katy-perry-avril-lavigne-pop-culture-peddling-racism

I do think its very confusing to children as sometimes passes on racism and the negative contagion from history that would be better forgotten, aka its probs ok to call someone from Cornwall a pasty, but to call someone from India a poppadom would be racist.

enjo well those Chinese jokes felt wrong because no one speaks like that and the people sharingthem no little about Chinese people. So who is laughing at who?

To me something is racist or it's not. That's why I don't get the laughing when it's from one person but not from another.

It seems now that if an ethnic group is doing well in society then it's OK to be racist towards them: Chinese , Jewish and I've seen well respected politicians and journalists, William Hague and Mark Mardell on HIGNFY direct racist jokes towards the Chinese but if they are not doing so well then you can't be seen to be racist towards them.

I don't think it's from one person vs another. I think it's that if you want to joke based on race, it must be based on love, affection and deep knowledge and familiarity to have the sort of accuracy and underlying fondness that prevents it being racist.

Bondgirl I was just going to mention HIGNFY - I was really shocked at that episode and went online to see if there had been complaints. Couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. After the pasting HIMYM got I was quiet surprised.

I am not BBC nor are any family or friends but the jokes on HIGNFY definitely didn't sit right with me. Laughing at the way a non English speaker speaks English? How can it not be racist.

I think the question is whether it is tolerable. A lot of our humour is made up of sexism, racism, ageism, taking the piss out of each other/celebrities etc. But there is a line at which it is offensive and I think the op is right in this instance.

It seems now that if an ethnic group is doing well in society then it's OK to be racist towards them

I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. In the UK we have (ok I have ) the impression that BBC are generally middle class, hard working and economically successful. For some people the extension from that is jibes and mocking can't really hurt them.

A similar example is UK stand up comedians assuming that making derogatory remarks about white Americans is inherently funny. It isn't.

Dyslexic that Guardian article lost me at the ridiculous comment about Madonna's "iconic, emancipated conical lingerie". Yeah right, Madonna cavorting around in over-sexualised underwear was soo liberating.

If Katy Perry was making fun of that she can't be all bad.

How is calling a Chinese restaurant , a chinky, racist? It is an abreviation

OP, YANBU. People who make and pass on these so called 'jokes' rely on those who find it unpleasant to keep quiet so as not to create a bad atmosphere and yet they never think to keep their horrible comments and actions to themselves to avoid any discomfort for others.

YADNBU OP.

I no longer live in the UK but used to be in a relationship with a British man of Chinese descent via another country. He often felt excluded and we had quite a few comments.

I hope it is fixed now but I remember the worst being surveys. When asked about your ethnicity there was never British Chinese. Just Chinese. For the record he is more British than I will ever be.

Abroad was even worse and his nationality would routinely be listed as Chinese or Japanese despite his British passport.

He never wanted to make a fuss but it really affected him and he felt really sad about it.

Brioche it most definitely is not an abbreviation and is offensive.

Pki, Nier are both abbreviations of longer words referring to people of different ethnicities (often seen written on walls by the National Front in the 70s and 80s and are offensive racist terms on par with Chnky. The fact this still needs to be explained to some people in 2016 Britain makes me

I understand, OP. My DH is from a poor country in Latin America and gets a lot of racial comments that are supposed to be 'amusing'.

How is calling a Chinese restaurant , a chinky, racist? It is an abreviation

Why don't you go into your nearest Chinese takeaway and ask them? Make sure however that you make clear you want an honest answer, otherwise they may well be too polite to tell you what is wrong with it.

Brioche would you use the term Paki? I'm guessing not, so why is Chinky acceptable?

Mmm, Brioche, by your ignorant argument calling a red head "Ginge" is nothing more than an abbreviation... Not rude, unkind or insulting.

Awaits the next ridiculous post

Brioche - I find that racist and offensive. And find your ignorance intolerable. Would you call anyone who "looks" Indian/Pakistani the "p" word or someone black the "n" word? I think not.

I once saw a live news conf where George w bush said paki. He had no idea it was offensive and the most powerful person in the world at the time.

brioche it is a racial slur. Quite commonly known as a racial slur as far as I'm aware. I've always known it is derogatory. Why do you think its an abbreviation? It's no slower to just say 'Chinese'

It is slightly longer though? 3 stools right?

I reported a bunch of teenagers who shouted ching chong at me on the streets.The police took it very seriously. Racism is a criminal offence. CCTV identified them and they were all brought in.

Seriously, it is racist. I find it highly offensive and totally unacceptable in this day and age. I would never dream of mimicking an African. I'd get my head kicked in. Literally.

Brioche - I find that racist and offensive. And find your ignorance intolerable. Would you call anyone who "looks" Indian/Pakistani the "p" word or someone black the "n" word? I think not.

You are not calling anyone anything.You are referring to a cuisine

Can I make it clear I was not talking about calling a Chinese person 'that word'', I was talking about the 'I fancy Chinky tonight' when referring to the CUISINE