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To have said this to a friend?

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StreamofConsciousness · 17/12/2015 16:05

I have a friend whose twin sons go to the same school as my ds. Whereas he has his breakfast at home and takes a packed lunch to school every day, she gives each ds £5 every day to spend on breakfast/lunch as they see fit (and doesn't ask for any change back). This gets spent on fizzy drinks/crisps from the corner shop and whatever they get at school.

Now, I'm not going to discuss whether or not this constitutes good/bad parenting, and have said nothing to my friend about this. The reason this has become an area of contention is that the other day I was round her house for a chat when she started talking about money (you can see where this is going). Her and her dp do not earn much, but the main problem is that they are very wasteful with their money. They don't go on holidays, buy hugely expensive gadgets or rack up debt, but they have takeaways too frequently, use taxis far more than they need to, have their heating up high all the time, and so on. And, of course, they spend about £200 a month on their sons' weekday breakfast and lunches.

           She got onto the subject as she was concerned that they weren't spending much in Christmas this year as they couldn't afford it. She spoke a lot about how her twins would be so disappointed and that she did not understand why they always seemed to have so little or know how to improve the situation. I, genuinely trying to be kind and thinking that she was asking for some real advice, mentioned that to me it seemed like they could find ways to save money. She asked me what I meant, I used the breakfast/lunch money as an example and, well, let's just say things blew up very quickly and she has not spoken to me in over a week. 

Was I being unreasonable to have said that and instead should I have just sympathises with her and said nothing of substance. At no point, btw, did I say anything about her parenting etc, I just mentioned she could spend less there.

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Italiangreyhound · 17/12/2015 17:18

StreamofConsciousness YADNBU, she was BVU to ask about things and not like what you said.

If you want to salvage the friendship go ahead and be friends and note when she asks for your opinion she doesn't really want it.

StreamofConsciousness · 17/12/2015 17:20

She's been a friend for about 4 years, since we moved to our current house. We got on really well from the start, plus her twins and my ds are very good friends and spend a lot of time together. We have bent over backwards to help each other at times, so I would like to think we're good friends. The thing is, apart from having a complete blind spot when it comes to money, I never have any issues with her. She spends a lot of time with her dc and is a good mum. She rarely moans, and in fact this is pretty much the first time I had heard her complain like this, which is why I thought this might be a real request for advice.

So I'm not sure why she has reacted this way. I hope she doesn't think I've been judging her over time- our spending also was all over the place until we decided to save for a house last year. Plus the main reason the money thing was on my mind was because my ds keeps moaning about how lucky they are when he keeps getting fruit and boring sandwiches...

I have tries texting to clear the air, but have heard nothing. My ds is playing over there right now so she clearly just has a problem with me, but I have no idea why that seemed to strike such a nerve. I'll guess I will just give her a bit more time and try again and, as has been said, make sure I never give any money advice to anyone ever again.

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PegsPigs · 17/12/2015 17:21

I'm like this. I'm one of life's problem solvers so when someone discusses a problem with me I try and help them solve it. I've had my fingers burnt a couple of times and now I word questions in such a way they come to the same conclusion but feel like they came up with it. Win win! Smile

StreamofConsciousness · 17/12/2015 17:25

Couch - perhaps that could be it. Maybe also the mention of us saving for a house (which she knew about) didn't help on this occasion. Even if they cut back some costs they would not be in a position to buy.

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crazycatdad · 17/12/2015 17:27

Touchy subject I guess. I might have suggested that she could find some ways to cut back on spending, maybe asked some probing questions to help her examine her spending herself, without coming out with an example straight off the bat?

StreamofConsciousness · 17/12/2015 17:28

Pigs - I've just had a thought. If a friend asks for advice again I'll word it in such a way that they feel like they came up with it. I'm so pleased I just thought of that all by myself! Grin

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Youarentkiddingme · 17/12/2015 17:28

What you said just sounded like giving advice about how you've saved money whilst simultaneously suggesting it may work for her.

TBH if I was meeting a friend I'd expect anything bought up was with the intention of conversation - eg two way - so would respond to what was said.

I also tell people what I do but I also listen to others and have adjusted my ways when I've thought "oh yeah, that would help!"

pictish · 17/12/2015 17:29

If only we could rewind some conversations and start them again. But we can't.
If she's a good pal she'll come round. I hope she does.

StreamofConsciousness · 17/12/2015 17:30

Crazy- I definitely think that would have been smarter on my part. Plus asking the probing questions would have helped me work out if she actually was asking for advice.

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fidel1ne · 17/12/2015 17:35

I told her my ds had told me how much they spend each day.

Why put it like that? It does sound quite intrusive (that you and your DS have been discussing actual amounts).

"The twins buy breakfast and lunch at school, don't they?" would have done.

laurierf · 17/12/2015 18:00

You misjudged it - it happens to the kindest and wisest of people. Being "one of life's solvers" (not saying that's you on the back of one incident) is not actually a positive attribute - it can really put the back up of the nicest of people when it's ill-judged. But, you know what, you've sincerely apologised and reached out to her… you unintentionally got it wrong but if the friendship doesn't recover she bears responsibility for not accepting the fact that you have reached out to her and so explaining to you why it upset/pissed her off so much and giving you the opportunity to explain your perspective. Don't rake yourself over the coals too much. You made a mistake, it was well-intentioned though clumsily executed.. but if you've sincerely apologised and would be happy to do so again if she'd actually given the chance, then there's not much more you could or should do.

PegsPigs · 17/12/2015 18:49

Stream what a great idea Grin

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