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The Oxford English dictionary should add "could of"

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DyslexicScientist · 16/12/2015 14:09

Everyone knows what it means, and quite a lot of people use it. Just seems very stuffy to not add it. English is an adaptive language.

They've already added omg and a smiliey face was the word of the year. So they are not adverse to change.

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BrianButterfield · 16/12/2015 14:20

It's a usage of a word.

BrianButterfield · 16/12/2015 14:21

Basically most of you don't understand what the OED actually is.

leaningtoweroflego · 16/12/2015 14:21

"People say "could've", "would've" and "should've" and that's ok.

Writing it down as "could of" is incorrect."

This ^^

"Could of" is not a new word combination, it's a mis-spelling of an existing word combination.

And no, the dictionary should definitely not include mis-spellings!

JeffreySadsacIsUnwell · 16/12/2015 14:22

I think the dictionary adds on grounds of common usage - not incorrect usage! Otherwise we would have 'chester draws' and 'alot' amongst other travesties.

LuciaInFurs · 16/12/2015 14:23

YABU. No, just no.

Gottagetmoving · 16/12/2015 14:23

When my daughter says 'Could Have' it sounds like 'could of'
I correct her but it makes no difference.
I have never smacked my children, but I could happily slap her over this. If she ever writes 'Could of' I may well have to Grin

BrianButterfield · 16/12/2015 14:24

But, for example, using 'like' as a comparison caused all manner of controversy in the 1950s (in the slogan "tastes good like a cigarette should.") The 'correct' word was 'as'. Now using like is totally unremarkable, and of course that usage is in the dictionary.

BrianButterfield · 16/12/2015 14:24

The dictionary contains probably thousands of words that started as misspellings...

DyslexicScientist · 16/12/2015 14:26

*People say "could've", "would've" and "should've" and that's ok.

Writing it down as "could of" is incorrect.

It won't be in the dictionary. Ever.*

That's were people with learning difficulties like me really struggle, I'm just trying to write the same as how I speak.

Could've looks wrong and confusing to me.

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wasonthelist · 16/12/2015 14:27

Op I assume you also want them to add the incorrect use of "adverse" for "averse" as in your post, because it's another common error?

Murdock · 16/12/2015 14:27

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DyslexicScientist · 16/12/2015 14:28

The dictionary contains probably thousands of words that started as misspellings...

Finally someone who understands! Xmas Smile

Language revolves.

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BrianButterfield · 16/12/2015 14:28

From the blog:

"A very similar process can be seen at work with individual words. The adjective ‘minuscule’ is one of the clearest examples of this in action. The word comes from the Latin minuscula, meaning ‘somewhat smaller’. But because minuscule means ‘very small’, many people associate it with the word ‘mini’, and so spell it miniscule instead. The evidence of this spelling goes back to the late 19th century, and has been gaining in popularity ever since.

From the Corpus, we saw that the spelling miniscule was now just as common as minuscule. Examples of this ‘mistake’ came from printed sources, such as newspapers and periodicals, as well as from chat rooms and unedited blogs. In the pages of a British newspaper, for example, we find “the dogs are trained to find miniscule traces of blood and body fluid”, while another case was discovered in a respected medical journal: “the cost of the micronutrient supplements is miniscule compared with the cost of the delivery system”.

In light of the increasing evidence, we came to the conclusion that miniscule should be allowed as an acceptable variant of minuscule, though the entry does come with a warning that this spelling should be avoided in formal contexts."

MaisieDotes · 16/12/2015 14:29

Fair enough OP but I would not normally write down "could've".

The point I'm trying to make is that, in speech, we abbreviate the word "have" to a "ve" sound that sounds like "of".

Hence the confusion.

gandalf456 · 16/12/2015 14:29

It's a modal perfect written as a contraction. It's a common mistake due to the fact that, in the written form, people write the whole phrase, not the shortened version. It's only normally heard in speech and sounds very much like could of, which is incorrect.

BrianButterfield · 16/12/2015 14:29

And of course for many words this process took place hundreds of years ago.

CastaDiva · 16/12/2015 14:30

No. It's a written mistake based on an aural (hearing) pronunciation. "ve" sounds like "of" to (lazy) ears.

This. It's not an 'ungrammatical usage' that's now becoming normal, it's not registering the 'mildly ungrammatical goes mainstream' it indicates a complete misunderstanding on the part of the writer of what they are actually writing. It's on a par with the OED including 'draw' or 'chester draws' as legitimate alternatives to drawer and chest of drawers, just because some people mangle things into some 'hear 'n write' mishmash.

Anyway, the OED is a dictionary, not a grammar usage guide.

DyslexicScientist · 16/12/2015 14:30

Op I assume you also want them to add the incorrect use of "adverse" for "averse" as in your post, because it's another common error?

No. They mean different things, but easily confusable.

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BadLad · 16/12/2015 14:30

It won't be in the dictionary. Ever.

Many dictionaries contain "ain't", with an explanatory note that it is widely considered unacceptable / uneducated.

gandalf456 · 16/12/2015 14:32

The same goes for chronic meant as bad but there is a note that it isn't actually what it means.

CastaDiva · 16/12/2015 14:32

But 'could of' isn't a word, OP - therefore it won't find its way into the OED, even if it becomes generally acceptable.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 16/12/2015 14:33

You want them to do this on that basis that because you have dyslexia, it looks wrong to you? How many other words and phrases need changing on that basis?

BrianButterfield · 16/12/2015 14:33

Phrases are in dictionaries.

0PHELIA · 16/12/2015 14:33

Language does not "Revolve" either.

Language "evolves"

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