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To be so angry that a UK court believes that someone can apparently "accidentally" rape a woman?

41 replies

SlaggyIsland · 16/12/2015 08:06

It's a sick joke. Apparently our legal system really does believe you can fall over and accidentally stick your cock in someone.
www.rt.com/uk/326057-millionaire-accidentally-raped-teenager/

OP posts:
Pantone363 · 16/12/2015 12:09

I don't expect justice in court for sexual crimes. Does any woman anymore? Unless it's CCTV, snatched off the street whilst wearing a burka and violently raped then we don't get justice. We get this shit.

I would seek my own justice for myself or any of my girls.

Helmetbymidnight · 16/12/2015 12:16

I can't understand this at all.

RickRoll · 16/12/2015 12:17

Media reports about anything are designed to elicit a response/provoke.

In this case, the 'tripped, fell, landed on his dick' line is absurd and ridiculous, BUT that's just what the media have chosen to report. If you were there listening to the whole case, it might well be that you would form a completely different impression, NOT centred on this ridiculous line.

Blacktealeaves · 16/12/2015 12:20

The reporting in any newspaper is nearly always a poor reflection of what happened in court. The jury's reasons of course are never given.

thelouise · 16/12/2015 12:22

YABU because your title is misleading. He was found not guilty due to the jury stating he did not rape her at all, not that it was an accident. That said, the way sexual abuse and rape is treated in court is a fucking disgrace.

cleaty · 16/12/2015 12:27

I suspect the woman was someone who would appear unsympathetic to the jury. Rape convictions generally happen when "respectable" women are raped sadly.

OldFarticus · 16/12/2015 12:34

Cleaty I think you are right, sadly. The sad fact is that his counsel would have an easy time painting an unsavoury picture of the victim who had been drinking, picked him up in a swanky nightclub, letting him buy her drinks etc and then gone for a kip whilst her mate shagged him. I can imagine the average DM reader being prepared to victim blame on that basis.

Chchchchange · 16/12/2015 12:47

Oops, I started another thread on this without seeing there was already one. I am just appalled and so upset that this has happened. It's a disgrace. His semen was found in her, his story about accidentally slipping and penetrating her is just nonsense.

How can this have happened in 2015?

IceBeing · 16/12/2015 12:49

I do think it is possible to commit rape accidentally - though not in this case clearly.

Imagine you are out at a pub and see a woman buying alcohol with ID stating she is 18. She seduces you and you have sex.

Then it turns out the ID was a fake and she is 15.

That, I feel would count as accidental rape...

howtorebuild · 16/12/2015 12:51

As has been said already, don't expect any justice for anything unless you have a video or voice recording, even then it may not be admissible in court.

hefzi · 16/12/2015 12:54

Chchchchange his semen was found on her, according to the report I read Confused

hefzi · 16/12/2015 13:01

(Just raising that as I wasn't in court, so don't know what was said, but his statement becomes slightly more credible if it was on rather than in - I agree it's sketchy, but it's a lot harder to explain away DNA in someone's vagina as the result of an innocent fall, rather than DNA in the region of someone's genital area. And now I think of it, it said DNA, rather than semen too.)

sparechange · 16/12/2015 13:09

I am certain there is a lot more to this than the attention-grabbing headlines would have us all believe.
The jury was unanimous and came back with a decision very quickly.
They weren't directed to make their decision by the judge, so a petition about him is absolutely irrelevant.

Without reading through the record of the case proceedings, I'm not going to be making any claims of corruption or miscarriages of justice because we just don't have any evidence of that

wheelofapps · 16/12/2015 15:51

OldFarticus and Cleaty

I think this may be a factor.

The victim will be portrayed as 'not reliable' in any way possible: - in nightclub, leaves with random (millionaire) skimpy clothes sleeps whilst friend has sex etc.

= 'not the man's fault'

this is standard in rape trials.

however, this one seem slightly different - I wonder if there was other 'incriminating evidence' about the woman to make her an 'unreliable witness'. Note the inverted commas.

RickRoll · 16/12/2015 18:58

the guy might be a millionaire, but in this country Saudi millionaire is more of an insult that a compliment, and I imagine the jury would find him LESS credible, not more so, for that reason.

Senpai · 16/12/2015 20:35

In his defense, when you're weighed down by all those millions of dollars it can make you quite clumsy. Hmm

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