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AIBU to think it's not normal!

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Dontunderstand01 · 04/12/2015 11:47

Speaking to my ddad about a friend who is severely ill. Naturally he is very upset. But, he started to tell me how there will be some 'long dark days ahead' for him and dm in dealing with it. I am very sympathetic, and sad too (I have known the friend all my life too).

The conversation became increasingly bleak with ddad saying 'some days I look at everyone, walking down the street, in the supermarket and think "we're all going to die and one day none of us will be here" '

Now I know he is upset but he gets like this quite often... I have tried suggesting he is depressed and maybe needs to speak to someone, or maybe he is overly preoccupied with dying. He dismisses it and says it's perfectly normal and 'everyone' thinks like this.

I don't think they do! I know some colleagues and friends who have been very pragmatic when loved ones have been ill or passed away. I know others who almost seem unaffected by it all. Nothing wrong with that in my book - we're all different and deal with things in different ways.
But he insists he is fine and that everyone must spend days dwelling on death/dying. Apparently they are lying or pretending to be stoic!

For back ground and not to drip feed, they are well off, healthy themselves, close but small family and few friends. Dm is retired and does very little during the day despite having means and opportunity. I worry that they are either depressed, overly worried about death and with a lot of time on their hands will become increasingly worried.

Aibu in thinkING it's not normal to think this way?

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Dontunderstand01 · 04/12/2015 20:18

Redexpat that is a relief, I was starting to think I am going mad. He is insistent that we all must be devasted when someone dies, that we grieve for such along time etc. When I said, no some people carry it with them but move forwards at the same time and he just said they were wrong or pretending. I simply don't agree with him.

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Greengardenpixie · 04/12/2015 20:22

Dontunderstand, have you had someone close to you die? I say this because most people are devastated. They learn to live with it and then gradually move on but it is hard. Sorry if you have.

Dontunderstand01 · 04/12/2015 20:26

I have had friends die. Once when I was very little - luekimea. Seeing a tiny child wither away was horrifying. Another friend of very aggressive cancer just before her 18th birthday. SHe was amazing and I thibk would she have lived she would have made a massive impact on the world.

A family friend died about 10 years ago from a brain anyerism

The death of ny childhood friends makes me extremely determined to live the best possible life I can.I am living ife they missed out on.

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Dontunderstand01 · 04/12/2015 20:32

Sorry I probably aren't explaining myself, of course it is very very upsetting when someone dies, but imo the world can't stop, grieving endlessly just isn't practical. It stays with you of course, but you find a way to function. I know what I mean but I aren't putting it very well.. .

I think if our friend does ultimately become terminally ill this will affect my parents in a way that will reach into every prospect of their life for a very very long term. For example, d friend is not terminal and undergoing treatment. Dear parents will not visit me (I live 4 hours away) or book a holiday in case 'something happens'. Dfriend has a very supportive family and lots of people to help. Surely dparents she book a holiday or make plans to leave their town at some point?

God I sound like an evil bitch. I might have to leave this - I am not articulating myself well at all

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Greengardenpixie · 04/12/2015 20:33

Well you have an extremely positive outlook. It can be more difficult though the older you get. It is hard in relation to your own mortality. Talking to your child about it though is not appropriate if she is young. I would have issues with that.

Fairenuff · 04/12/2015 20:34

Maybe that's it, OP, all the people that you have lost have died young. When you lose someone who is old, who has lived their life fully and then passed away, you can come to realise that their life, however fully it was lived, was but a blink in terms of the history of the world.

You can contemplate mortality as you yourself grow older, or as the older generation die and you yourself become the older generation.

Musicaltheatremum · 04/12/2015 20:42

Gosh I'm 52 and don't think like that and I lost my husband 3 and a half years ago aged 50. I don't think it is normal (I say that as a GP too) life is for living and doing as much as you can. Even my parents 80 and 84 don't think like this and my mum has had lung cancer and possibly has a small lesion in her other lung.

Greengardenpixie · 04/12/2015 20:46

Well sorry but it depends upon your outlook. I find old age bleak. All i see in front of me is ailments and then you die. Rather depressing. I try not to think about it too much though.

Greengardenpixie · 04/12/2015 20:47

I try not to think about it as what alternative is there. So i think of my life atm the moment and my immediate future tbh.

Greengardenpixie · 04/12/2015 20:50

I look at my mum. She is 82. She thinks of her death frequently. She spoke of it today. What has she got in front of her. All she does is ache. She cant walk far, she has issues with her sight, she has diabetes, she is overweight and has thyroid. What is there really for her to look forward to? How can the thought of dying not taint the things she does? I would find her age hard. Most of her friends are dead or dying.

CastaDiva · 04/12/2015 20:59

You sound awfully cross with your father for not dealing with this death the way you think he should, OP, and for not using his retirement to live life to the full.

I do think this country has a pretty odd attitude towards death in general (am a foreigner). Death is so culturally invisible and so privatised that when you are bereaved, it is as if it's never happened to anyone ever before, and some of the threads on here are shocking - there was one from a woman whose parent or husband had died, and who returned to work only to find that no one mentioned it. Not a single person came to say they were sorry. I find that absolutely incomprehensible, that a culture could be so embarrassed and frightened by death that a newly bereaved person's immediate colleagues behaved as though nothing had happened, and possibly even to believe that this was respectful.

When I first started using Mn, I was really taken aback at the number of funeral threads where people said they would never consider taking children of any age to their grandparents' funerals because it would be too upsetting for them, and also they shouldn't have to see their parents being sad. Unfortunately, that seems to mean that a lot of the time, adults have never seen a dead body or been to a funeral until a parent or sibling dies, so the shock compounds the grief.

Dontunderstand01 · 04/12/2015 21:01

Musical theatre mum it is reassuring to see I am not alone.

Green Garden I understand that your dm must not have much to look forward to. It must be very very hard and at 32 I can't relate to it if I am honest. But, at 61 my ddad is healthy, he has a loving family, 3 dgc who adore him. I want him to enjoy this bit of his life before he reaches the pint your dm is at.

But, in relation to my original aibu it seems generally that it is quite common to feel like this, with a few of us being the exception. I will do my best to support them even if I don't really get it.

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TheExMotherInLaw · 04/12/2015 21:38

Gosh, I'm almost OP's DF's age. Sometimes I get maudlin when I think of close friends who have died, but I don't dwell on it that much, even tho my own health is not wonderful. My DH had major surgery 2 years ago, that carried clear dangers, but the danger of not having surgery was astronomical. He dwelt on it for quite a while, and is now back to full health and normal 'live my life' attitude - he's nearly 68.
It is understandable when people are very ill, or very old and in pain, but
I do think your parents' attitude is very sad for their ages.

Dontunderstand01 · 04/12/2015 22:04

Castadiva I aren't cross with him at all. Just sad. I want him to be happy. That's it. He isn't happy and I don't know what I can do to help. He says that he is fine and it's normal to feel this way.

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Callaird · 04/12/2015 22:17

I never thought about people dying even though I have lost all my grandparents and my younger brother when I was 15 until I lost my boyfriend suddenly. Now I worry all the time if people don't answer the phone, don't reply to text messages or even go missing for an inordinate length of time when I am out with them! For example, out with a 16 year old ex-charge for lunch, he went to the bathroom and was gone for about 15/20 minutes, although it felt so much longer! I sent one of the waiters to check the bathroom because all I could think was that he was lying dead on the bathroom floor. (He was actually at the buffet eating duck pancakes straight from the dish!)

If my parents don't answer the phone, I panic that something has happened. Worse at the moment as their phones are playing up.

I do suffer from anxiety attacks, palpitations and PTSD after finding my seemingly healthy boyfriend lying in our bedroom.

solvendie · 04/12/2015 23:27

I think it could be empathy. Your DDad obviously feels this a lot. Or he could just be more open about his thoughts

Dontunderstand01 · 07/12/2015 12:57

I have just been on the phone to dm who asked to ring during ds' nap- even though she knows I am on my arse as he doesn't sleep through and I work the other four days. So I ring her instead of sleeping myself, listen to how awful her life is and that's that.

I did try to challenge her constructively- she says she hates the house they moved to, says one of the dnices is awful, that she is old and over the hill etc.

I tried to ask what about the house would she change (having already redecorated it and added an extension) she replied "well everything. I just hate it. Me and your father think we will never be really happy again. We will probably have a nomadic existence and just jeep moving".

Who talks/ thinks like that !? She wanted to move to one of the nicest cities in the UK, to live 2 minutes from dsis and was happy to spend a fortune to do it. It was all she talked about for 10 years. Now she has done it, it's shit and she hates it.

I have no money, no financial support, no sleep, shitty job prospects. But I should be devasted that my very wealthy mum got what she always wanted?

I could scream.

Yes I am a bitch. But I have had two hours sleep.

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SquinkiesRule · 08/12/2015 17:44

You're not a bitch, your parents sound very odd.
Not going away or planning to come see their own grandchildren in case something happens to a friend who isn't terminal and has a good support system around them? Seems to me they try to make other peoples sadness and drama about them.
If she hates the house so much, move. Really life is too short to dwell on this kind of rubbish.

FFTransform · 08/12/2015 18:27

Unfortunately I think the grumpy old man stereotype is based in scientific fact - the bit (receptors?) that release happy chemicals in the brain die off as men get older

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