To shop half of you lot to the police for a "mistrust of mainstream media reports"?

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Have a look at the leaflet being given out to help parents spot whether their teenagers are becoming radicalised. It's in the article below:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/young-people-who-question-government-policy-or-the-media-may-be-extremists-officials-tell-parents-a6756086.html

kesstrel. Categorising "mistrust in mainstream media" and "appearing angry about government policies" with "signs more specific to radicalisation" is, I think, deeply disturbing.
These behaviours are listed in contrast with other less worrying behaviours which "could describe general teenage behaviour but together with other signs may mean the young person is being radicalised" (being secretive, changing how you dress, etc.).

The issues is that it is part of an extremely worrying trend for "anti-terror" initiatives to close down, or marginalise, critical discussion, dissent and any unconventional or minority views.

No need to assume a lack of regard here for the anguish of parents (Muslim or otherwise) who are frightened for their children. I'm rather scared for the families of the many "false positives" who will be "detected" and labelled under anti-terrorism initiatives, especially in Muslim communities.

First they came for ...

"The issues is that it is part of an extremely worrying trend for "anti-terror" initiatives to close down, or marginalise, critical discussion, dissent and any unconventional or minority views."

Evidence?

"No need to assume a lack of regard here for the anguish of parents (Muslim or otherwise) who are frightened for their children."

The frivolous nature of the comments made such a lack of regard pretty plain. They were along the lines that might be taken in mocking fundamentalists for worrying that reading Harry Potter would turn their children into devil-worshippers.

"I'm rather scared for the families of the many "false positives" who will be "detected" and labelled under anti-terrorism initiatives, especially in Muslim communities."

Un-evidenced (and conveniently in the future) strawman. Meanwhile you have still said nothing sympathetic about Muslim parents worried about their children being put into danger by radicalisation.

I don't think we minimise the anguish of parents of all kinds whose children become radical. In fact many perhaps most young people start out radical and by the time they have children to feed their politics tend to move in all countries to a bit more conservative and sensible.

I don't mind when my children say 9/11 might be caused by the state etc because I want them to challenge everything but when theyonly have one influence - the internet - or mosque or whatever or even just their biased parents they tend to be more likely to be mroe radical. I fyou can keep talking to them, keep them hearing lots of different views then they can make up their own minds and indeed might one day discover the world is not flat as everyone at one time said and be daring enough to suggest it's round or the modern equivalent. So yes we want them to be questioning of everythng and not take anything at face value and not be fed a line by the media and manipulated like puppets but we don't want them following silly causes which hurt others. It is not an easy line to follow.

So the list isn't wrong but for the state to say anything who queries the party line is wrong smacks more of Mao, North Korea or any other dictatorships.

Fortunately, the London borough of Camden doesn't really qualify as "the State" .

DARPA, Carlyle Foundation, Group 13 assassination squad, Bilderberg , our forefathers experiences of the wars and how they deliberately let warcrimes happen even though we tried to stop it.

We, not just Muslims, have very many reasons to doubt the mainstream media and state.

We, not just Muslims, have very many reasons to doubt the mainstream media and state.

Absolutely.

As parents we want our children to have their own views and opinions on subject matters. But, it would also be a good idea to check and make sure that those views are not offensive, ignorant and prejudicial.
We may laugh at the leaflet, but I see a point being made. Some parents in this world are clueless to what goes on around them. Their children may have a better understanding of what goes on in politics and media than they do. I know that I was better at things like that compared to my family.
If a child says things like they hate the the government bombing Syria ask why and have a conversation on why you agree with them or not. Encourage such conversations and not try to block it.

good idea to check and make sure that those views are not offensive, ignorant and prejudicial.

Sure. In fact, I'd say mistrust in the mainstream media is an excellent first step away from identifying with offensive, ignorant and prejudicial material.

This sort of checklist is pretty stupid.

I mean, disagreeing with government politics is completely normal. You would notice if that disagreement goes into a worrying direction, wouldn't you?

Parents who take an interest in what their children are doing should be able to tell what is going on without such checklist points. "Secretive behaviour" is something you should be worried about for a number of reasons, as is "glorifying violence".