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Care Home- Grandmother put in serious danger by staff incompetence - WWYD

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notamum3210 · 28/11/2015 22:44

Hello,

There's a long backstory to this one but I'll summarise the key points:
-Grandmother has been in a care home for the last 5 years.
-She is a 'difficult' resident (their words and ours) and as well as being post-stroke she has a lot of co-morbidities and dementia. She does not have mental capacity.
-My mother has power of attorney and a DNAR has been signed. She has also been labelled as not fit for admission to hospital if it can be avoided due to her other health conditions.
-Over the last 18 months there have been serious concerns over her care in the home. 2 incidents of physical abuse which were investigated by social services and the police. The management have been quite poor in how these incidents were handled but social services were excellent. We have been confident in the last 6 months that the abuse-related issues were under control (we were led to believe that it was agency staff responsible). Whilst nobody was caught, she seemed safe and happy.

  • she has had a chest infection for the last few weeks. Nothing terrible but it did require antibiotics. She was last seen for a review by the GP who visited the home early on Wednesday who prescribed an oxygen cylinder on demand for as/when she needed it. At the time her oxygen levels weren't too low but she did seem to be short of breath.

Fast forward to this evening:

My mum received a call from the nurse on site at the home at about 5pm saying that she had been monitoring my grandma's oxygen sats every 2 hours since she began her shift early that morning. In that time her oxygen sats had dropped from 88 to mid 70s and at the time when she was calling her oxygen rate was 66. Nurse was calling to let us know and also to inform my mum that the oxygen cylinder that had been My mum is in the medical profession and alarm bells began to ring. She could not believe that oxygen had not been delivered yet and shocked that the nurse had waited this long to call her. Also very shocked that the oxygen order had not been chased up by the home. Mum asked the nurse if there was anywhere they could get oxygen from and she said no. Mum asked the nurse how long somebody with oxygen sats that low would survive and she said 'not very long'. I was horrified hearing all of this.

Mum decided to call the nursing home manager who was off shift but has an emergency on call number. She had no idea about this incident and refused to do anything about it as she was busy and driving at the time. She asked my mum if she wanted her to pull over and pass on the out of hours emergency GP number and mum said yes please. She never called back.

Mum decided to call nhs 111 who said that a call had already been made by the home about my grandma. They had sent out a paramedic with oxygen. Later, mum called the home again and ask to speak to the paramedic who was fantastic but also horrified that a prescription of oxygen had not arrived 2 days after being ordered and that a registered nurse on site had let things get this bad before escalating them. The paramedic agreed to stay and give grandma oxygen for as long as she needed but said it was vital that further supplies were organised as a matter of urgency. He said to mum on the phone 'please take this to the top'.

Flash forward another few hours and the paramedic speaks to mum again saying that he only had 1 hour 1/2 left of oxygen in his cylinder and they needed more desperately for her. Mum is beside herself at this point but finally gets through to the out of hours GP who checks records and says that the correct paperwork for the order of this organised was not completed and so the original order on Wednesday had never been put through! At this stage, they may have managed to arrange some emergency oxygen from the local hospital (which is just across the road!) but we are very worried, angry and distressed.

Obviously my grandma's welfare is paramount but I feel that we really need to complain about the way this was handled as this seems to be a positively dangerous scenario that was brought about by a lot of incompetence. I also don't like the way we have been treated by care home staff. When I tried to call for an update they said they were busy and needed to keep their phone lines free.

Thank you for reading if you've got to the end: my question is what should we do in this situation?

BTW, if relevant it's a Bupa Care Home rather than an independent.

OP posts:
Senpai · 29/11/2015 03:03

When MIL was dying in the hospital and we didn't like how she was being treated, I poked around online and got a free trial into a business registry for doctors to contact each other and called the hospital board and proceeded to lecture them on the disorganization of their hospital, complete with names of head nurses and doctors who were on the clock during the incidents, and told them their management incompetencies weren't going to be MIL's problem. Then me and DH made it clear that she would get good medical care if for nothing else because we'd be their ever living nightmare. We reached an agreeable solution.

It was interesting, but bruises stopped showing up on her, her stuff stopped going missing, and her nurses and doctors were on time with their meds and rounds.

That's probably not the best solution, I'm sure there's more calm and sane measure you can take. I'm just not sure what they are. Some people do the right thing because they're decent people. Some people need a huge foot up their ass.

(We were very pleasant to the nurses and doctors coming in to check on her. I was happy enough to have the manager ride their ass for me.)

Wolpertinger · 29/11/2015 07:26

Jacks11- I did actually point that out.

clairemum22 · 29/11/2015 07:49

Senpai, how disgraceful that you had to take those measures to get your mil the care she deserved and needed. im glad for you all that they worked.

Fugghetaboutit · 29/11/2015 08:00

Why wasn't she removed after the physical abuse?

Toraleistripe · 29/11/2015 08:01

It's a serious safeguarding incident. Call out of hours Duty team now who will start the process off.

x2boys · 29/11/2015 09:48

regarding the home managing your grandmothers behaviour is she in an EMI unit ?or just a general unit EMI,s have RMN,s on duty as well so are trained to deal with more challenging behaviour although the quality of EMI units tend to vary in different homes.

ButterflyUpSoHigh · 29/11/2015 09:58

QCC are useless in my opinion. A relative has had major problems with a care home. She rang QCC who notified the home when they would visit. The whole idea was for them to do an on the spot visit. Her father was regularly left unfed, unwashed and incontinence pads not changed. Of course on the day of the visit they were fully staffed and every patient was washed, fed and dressed.

hiddenhome2 · 29/11/2015 09:58

Unfortunately, it depends upon who's on duty as to whether things are chased up or not.

I'm a nurse in a care home and wouldn't trust some of the other nurses to look after my cat. Things are often missed Hmm

Make a complaint tomorrow.

thelouise · 29/11/2015 11:34

With regards to the paramedics; on several occasions, paramedics have stayed with vulnerable service users until I've been able to respond or do something. I had a service user who fell at home and the paramedic stayed 4 hours; all her food was rotten and she hadn't eaten for days. It took a long time for me to get there as the motorway was chocka (Friday afternoon M25 fun!). He popped out to get her a sandwich and made her cups of tea.

jacks11 · 29/11/2015 11:41

thelouise

I agree they would stay until something could be sorted- but if that looked like it could be all night then, in my experience, they would bring the patient in to hospital. It could take quite a while for emergency oxygen supply to be obtained from the supplier or hospital. Possibly later on today. I doubt that they would stay all night and into the next day to supply oxygen.

In your case, they could see that a solution was on it's way albeit that it could take some hours.

sorry, off topic I realise.

notamum3210 · 29/11/2015 16:32

Update: she got a urgent supply of oxygen from our local hospital late last night. The paramedic stayed with her until this supply arrived. She did not need to be admitted and there was no need to waste a hospital bed- she just needed the oxygen.
We're starting to work on complaints to the care home. Thank you for the advice.

OP posts:
Toraleistripe · 30/11/2015 16:05

Hi

Glad it's sorted but you still should report this as a safeguarding incident to your local adult social services team.

bigbluebus · 30/11/2015 16:28

I think a complaint to the GP practice would be in order too for the error with the forms authorising the Oxygen.
My DD was prescribed an Oxygen cylinder by our GP in similar circumstances ie to keep her out of hospital. Over a weekend we started to run out and the O2 company said we couldn't have any more as our prescription didn't allow. I rang the OOH GP service who immediately ordered an Oxygen Concentrator as an alternative to cylinders - it was delivered and installed in our home within 6 hours on a Saturday afternoon.
This is a combination of shoddy work by both the Registered Nurse (who should have chased the GP up) and the GP practice (who should have got the paperwork correct.

LauraMipsum · 30/11/2015 16:36

Glad it's sorted OP. I would report as a safeguarding incident and also report the care home to the Nursing & Midwifery Council: www.nmc.org.uk/concerns-nurses-midwives/concerns-complaints-referrals/referral-forms/

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