AIBU to be furious that in 24hrs the NHS as we know it will be gone? (England)

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Yes I know orangerevel has beaten me to it and this is her thread to push for our responses on the extraordinarily poorly handled consultation on the NHS mandate, which closes tomorrow and which is a transparent move towards privitisation.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2512051-To-ask-how-you-feel-about-the-NHS

But this is sooo urgent that I fel justified in making a TAAT to continue to raise awareness. The consultation document links are in the link above. I will put them in at the end of this post for those who CBA to click through.

The consultation document is very very poorly written. Completely in political spin management type speak that is meaningless when you parse through it to work out what is actually being said. As a senior clinician in the NHS it made me so furious that I felt sick, because I have the joy of dealing with this sort of bullshit day in and day out.

It promises nothing and threatens to further reduce what services are provided by the NHS. There is no mention of restoring the secretary of states for health's legal duty to provide services (removed in the 2012 Act). There is no mention of maintaining safe staffing levels (and there are hints of further plans that will further impact on frontline staff's time to do their job of caring for patients). There is bare faced hypocrisy as public health funding has been slashed.

Please take 30 mins out of your day to respond, even just to put n the forms that this is not acceptable - NHS England need to extend the consultation period and adequately publicise the process; that they need to write the document in meaningful English and aims and objectives that are real and measurable and anything that indicates your feelings about keeping the NHS from being sold off and degraded into a USA model based insurance system? Because that's the model that's coming - not any of the European insurance based models that can and do deliver a part-private service with good health outcomes in an affordable way...

consultation page

our NHS sample response

For those asking details on the Five Year Forward View are here www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/5yfv-web.pdf

I echo what manatee said

My gp surgery is run by a private company but is an NHS doctor. Appointments are available for 15 hours of the day 7 days a week and telephone service covers the remaining hours, it runs a range of clinics by nurses, doctors and other specialists.

I have had nothing but fantastic service from them and if all other surgeries end up like it then brilliant, it's what's needed

oh right have done and requested circulation to colleagues

The cornerstone of the Five Year forward view is invest in preventative medicine (ie Public health). The govt rhetoric is all about prevention but in reality they have moved public health from the NHS to local authorities. This means they can slash the budget without anyone really realising. Already been cut by 6% and further drastic cuts next year. This means no services for preventing obesity, stopping smoking, sexual health, improving local health services etc. Shocking hypocrisy.

Done. Thanks to Chillercabinet for the point about local authorities as well - and their grant is about to be slashed in Wednesday's spending review (so expect further cuts to libraries etc as they can't increase council tax to make up the shortfall).

Bugger it, wrote a reply and lost it.

Thanks to all who have read and gone and waded thru the flim flam to respond.

To reiterate from my OP, if there was open dialogue and/or plans to move towards a European style model of healthcare provision, which seems to be affordable and have comparable outcomes to NHS, I would not be as deeply frightened. However we are heading for a US based insurance model especially with TTIP looming ever closer

TTIP

Ie the NHS will be broken up for scrap and sold off. Profit for the shareholders and the corrupt MPs on their payrolls ( many in commons and lords). In reality there will be a massive balls up - I imagine, like the criminal charge Grayling the village idiot imposed while Justice secretary that was meant to bring in something like £80 million per year but of which barely £35k has been collected (not 100% accurate, just to best of my recall) and which has had a terrible adverse impact on many people in court. And which Gove (the education idiot who might might might be suited to being an okay justice secretary). Is about to quietly shut down.

PMQ question form maybe if we all send angry shouty incoherent post work questions about the NHS mandate consultation, it might get asked about?

Also could we have Mr Jeremy Hunt put in the stocks please?

Hmm looking at the lack of layers of management in my. Local private hospital compared to my local NHS one the private ine is far more accountable to its customers

Hotbot
OK love, aren't you're so lucky having a local private hospital? Let's see how it performs in an emergency?

aren't you
sorry

Jamnan love, 😊
It won't ,but I think there's room for both imho.and seeing as consultants work in the the NHS and private sector it isn't because of a lack of skill or competence. It's about time we recognised that health provision Need to change to allow best care for all. There is nothing wrong with looking at how both systems work and picking the best from each.better still would be for the NHS to be removed from govt. meddling completing

Completely

If it makes us move towards the French system then I'm happy. The current system isnt uo to par and needs to change imhog.

Please could someone outline the French system?

Hotbot
Could you link to which private hospitals have A&E departments?

Talkin, none why , my prev post explains my view, room for both

Are there any other sample responses out there people could use?

The opendemocracy one isn't written in a great way tbh and a lot more people would respond to the consultation if there were sample responses to work with.

hotbot
my prev post explains my view, room for both
But Private hospitals cover the simple stuff, they are incapable of dealing with the chronically, multiply ill
the mentally and physically ill
they will not deal with anybody who is contagious - or might be
and yet the NHS is being forced to only fund the hard stuff
and hand the easy stuff to private
and still get its funding cut

Trouble is hotbot, when private companies try to run proper hospitals, they soon give up because it isn't profitable (see hitchingbrooke hospital).

The reason the NHS doesn't offer the same level of customer service is because it's massively underfunded. That's a reason to fund it properly, not to scrap it.

I know I have worked in the NHS for 25 yrs 😊 Room for both

Chiller never suggested scrapping obv only room for one view on this thread am bowing out

Are there any other sample responses out there people could use?

This is a very quick and easy way to respond with some basic text provided and a few pointers on what you can add in:

speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/nhs-set-the-agenda

Sending a sample response is pointless. Government consultations don't tally up views like that, they asses the range of views. So having 1 or 100 people submit the same response has the same impact. It's not like objecting to a planning application where volume counts.

(I have done govt consultations).

The NHS is a bottomless pit. The entire budget can be thrown at it and it wouldn't be enough. It needs overhauling and we need to accept it needs part privatising