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To still be extremely bitter about this?

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WanderingNotLost · 13/11/2015 00:51

This is very long, apologies in advance.

My Dad was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer in March 2014. After struggling for several months, at the beginning of August 2014 I was signed off work with depression by my GP (prior to this I had 3 weeks’ absence for gastroenteritis, also signed off by GP, and 5 days for flu). I was prescribed antidepressants at the same time, the dosage of which was increased several times.

Whilse I was on sick leave there was constant pressure to get back to work- my boss made me send her weekly 'updates' by email- anybody with even the slightest knowledge of the experience of depression will know that this is ridiculous- I was having to essentially make shit up when all I wanted to write was 'Dear Boss, it's Friday again, my Father is still dying, I'm still having to take industrial strength antidepressants just to make it through the day. Alright thanks, same time next week, Wandering'.

I returned to work at the beginning of November. At the same time my Dad was moved into a hospice in a fairly remote village in Essex. I travel by public transport, and there is only 1 bus there from nearest town every hour and a half, with the last one leaving town at 18:50, and the last bus back to town leaving at 19:39. I realised that when I went back to working full days I would only be able to get the last bus, so I’d only be able to spend about 20 minutes with my Dad before I’d have to leave again. With this in mind, I asked my manager if, just for as long as my Dad was in the hospice (which at the time was only predicted to be a few weeks), I could possibly leave work about 40 minutes early a few days a week, to allow me to get the 17:20 bus from town and have closer to 2 hours with my father. The next day she and I spoke on the phone about it (she works from home and only comes into the office one day a month) and her suggestion was to alter my contracted working hours to two mornings and two full days a week. My workload would remain the same, but I would be spending less time essentially doing nothing in between tasks, and I’d have two afternoons and one full day free, so I would obviously be able to see my Dad a lot more. This was the element of the change that I was focussing on; it didn’t occur to me to ask about the effect on my salary, and no mention of it was made during the conversation. I verbally agreed to the changes and was sent my new contract to sign and return. This was when I discovered that my salary (at the time £25k) had been reduced by £10,000, or 40%. However since I had already verbally agreed, I didn’t feel that I could go back to her and say that I couldn’t do it. I felt like I'd be saying that spending time with my dying father wasn't worth the pay cut.

My new contract came into effect on the 24th November. On the 28th my Dad, who had been allowed to go home the day before, rapidly deteriorated and had to go back to the hospice. My uncle advised me of the seriousness of the situation and said I needed to get to the hospice as soon as possible. I left work immediately and went straight there.
The following Monday my DP contacted the office to let them know I was still at the hospice (I hadn't left at all since I'd got there on the Friday) with my father and would be there indefinitely. That night my Dad passed away.

I called my manager the next morning to let her know what had happened. She was sympathetic, but did say that she wasn’t sure how much compassionate leave she could allow me as I’d had so much ‘time off’ that year, so I would have to take the days I had off that week either out of my holiday allowance (it being December I only had a few days left), or as unpaid leave. As I knew I would be paid considerably less in December than I had been previously due to the change in my salary (I was technically overpaid in November too as the new contract started a week before payday, so that was also deducted from my December pay), I decided to take it from my holiday. The only compassionate leave I was given was the day I had off for the funeral. I went in mid-afternoon that Thursday (a day I usually had free) as my manager was in the office for the company Christmas party, but I was expected to be back at work the next Monday as, with the days I had off that week being taken out of my annual leave, I didn’t have enough holiday left to be off any more.

During this time I felt mentally and physically exhausted, those four days I had spent in the hospice being very emotionally and physically draining and having had very few hours sleep. My sleeping pattern became very fragmented; I have a great deal of trouble getting to sleep at night and would be awake until 4:30 – 5 a.m. and had frequent nightmares. I sent my manager an email on the Monday morning (at about 4:30 a.m.) and explained this, and said I didn’t feel able to go into work that day. This continued on the Tuesday, and that afternoon I spoke to her on the phone and she said that the current situation couldn’t continue, and that she wanted to offer me a settlement agreement, a draft of which she sent me by email the next day. She asked me to verbally agree as soon as possible. The sum I was offered in the settlement is £1000 – my manager said she was only supposed to offer £900 but had increased it. She also said that there were likely to be several redundancies in the first quarter of this year and that in that case, as I’d been with the company less than two years, I won’t be entitled to any payment at all. Essentially it was, take the settlement now or be made redundant later; either way you're out.

One of my tasks at work was to process the childcare vouchers issued to employees. To do this I had to look at the payroll breakdown. It was whilst doing this that I noticed that (with the exception of the company directors) everybody in the company was getting a 10% bonus, except for me. I wasn't prying; it was only through flicking through the pages in the payroll breakdown to find the childcare voucher sheet that I spotted it. So whilst everybody else in the company was having a lovely Christmas with an extra 10% of their salary to play with, I was paid less than £950. I know that the reason I didn't get a bonus was because of the amount of sick leave I had, which I would understand were it not that one of my colleagues had over two weeks more sick leave than I did, and he still got a bonus. However he had been with the company longer and was very seriously ill, whereas my sickness was 'in my head'. However his problems started when he injured himself playing rugby while he was pissed; mine started when I had to watch my Father dying a slow painful death.

Even though this was all almost a year ago, I still feel so hurt and upset by it. I just feel that I was kicked when I was down, and that I was punished for having too much ‘time off’ (as my manager kept referring to it). Before my Father got sick I'd never had any problems at work, I was good at my job and got on very well with everyone in the (very small) company.

Would you still be bitter about this? Or should I just get the hell over it?

OP posts:
MerryMarigold · 13/11/2015 10:34

Wandering, not saying you were paid very much (I certainly wasn't compared to the CEO's who were probably on 4x my salary alone), but in a company of 10 any salary will show up as significant.

MerryMarigold · 13/11/2015 10:35

And I'm also not justifying your treatment at all. It was appalling. I just think it is more common in smaller companies.

Badders123 · 13/11/2015 10:38

My Dh gets an attendance bonus...was that it?
Because if so, then, I'm sorry but obv you didn't qualify due to all the time off. It doesnt matter what for, time off is time off when it comes to attendance bonuses.
Yes, I agree your manager sounds quite uncaring but it's something I see a lot.
When my dad died (in very distressing cirsumatances) Dh was "given" half a day compassionate leave and had to take holiday for the rest.
Try not to take it personally.
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juliascurr · 13/11/2015 10:39

www.tuc.org.uk/workplace-issues/employment-rights/advice-and-guidance

advice available for non-members too

good luck

Badders123 · 13/11/2015 10:39

Yes, Dhs is a small company :(

SevenOfNineTrue · 13/11/2015 10:48

I'd give CBT a go. It helped me no end after my Mum died.

While I get that you are bitter, and I would have been too, I would start now to look back on it and focus on the fact that you had a lucky escape from the company. You cannot change what happened to you but you can see that they gave you very little care and attention. The culture of that company was clearly not suited to you.

Take care of yourself Flowers

BarbarianMum · 13/11/2015 10:51

At the end of the day though, it isn't personal. You were a relatively new employee, you needed a lot of time off and changes in your working conditions (not your fault and I don't blame you) meaning you didn't work out for them. So you were let go. If there really were redundancies coming (do you know the state of the business) then they clearly didn't have the margins to offer you a better deal.

I am sorry about your dad. Mine has prostate cancer, heart failure and is currently being (we think) diagnosed with dementia. The watching and waiting are very painful Sad - I haven't got to angry yet but can feel it coming.

Doyouthinktheysaurus · 13/11/2015 11:14

They treated you badly and I can understand why you would take it personallyThanks I am sorry for what you went through, prostate cancer is a bastard. My dh's dad died of it a few years after he lost his mum to cancer.

My dh went through a tough time at work when his mum died and I was diagnosed with cancer in the same week! He had some compassionate leave after his mum died but they wouldn't give him anymore leave to look after our very small dses while I was in hospital and recovering from cancer surgery. He got his union involved and they backed down. In the end he had 2 weeks compassionate leave and 2 weeks annual leave.

He'd been with the company 25 years ish at that point in time! It does feel personal, even if it isn't meant to be.

totalrecall1 · 13/11/2015 11:24

TBH Bonuses are just that. A Bonus. And really they should be given to people who have contributed to the company's success during that period. If you are off on long term sick, you are not contributing, and I don't think you should get a bonus. I don't know why your colleague got one, but perhaps he contributed to something, or delivered something big which helped the company. As you are not there, presumably you would not know this. I don't think you are being punished. I think that you haven't contributed to the degree that would earn you a bonus which is fair.

goldierocks · 13/11/2015 11:44

Hello OP.....I'm sorry about your Dad. You've had a really rough time Flowers.

I thought I would share my experience, as I think there are a lot of similarities.

I had been working for my employer for around 18 months when my Dad was diagnosed with a very aggressive cancer in his brain, with multiple secondaries. On the day he collapsed (he'd been at work) they didn't expect him to last the next 24 hours.

I worked FT, my mum and sister worked PT. I have one child, at the time my sister had two (all under 8). I don't drive either and had to get too/from the hospital by bus, which was an hour each-way.

I won't go into all the details, but after an awful experience at the hospital we vowed that we would not leave my Dad on his own, so we set up round-the-clock shifts. One of us would stay with my Dad, one would have the children and the other would be at work.

I was able to re-negotiate my hours with my employer - instead of 5 days of 8 hours, I condensed my shifts into three 14-hour days. It was incredibly tough (work/childcare/hospital). I wasn't in a position financially to cut my hours.

I was so incredibly grateful to my colleagues for being okay with my shift-change. Although it was a large company, my team only had five people in it. When I wasn't there (the first three days after my Dad collapsed), my absence had a real impact on them - they had to work longer shifts to cover my work and had to re-arrange their own childcare at short notice.

My Dad died five months after his collapse. I had one day compassionate leave for his funeral (on a Wednesday) and was back at work the next day. I think one day compassionate leave is the norm for parents/grandparents.

The terms and conditions of employment at my place are clear about bonus payments; they are not paid if you've had a certain percentage of sick days, regardless of the reason. There is also a performance element, i.e. you have to 'significantly exceed' your objectives. Did you have anything similar in your contract?

At the time, my manager told me it was exceptionally helpful that I kept in touch with regular updates. I can imagine that for a small company, it would be really difficult for them to arrange for someone else to cover your duties if they were never really sure when you'd be able to be at work.

There is also the problem that if your employer is able to cope without you there for extended periods of time, they'll decide that the position really is redundant.

You have my sincerest sympathies, but I cannot see anything wrong in how you were treated from a purely business perspective. I can't say that my employer/colleagues provided me with emotional support, but it didn't occur to me that they would/should.

My Dad died in 2008. It does get easier, but things still set me off (most recently it was seeing the large packs of his favourite beer on special offer in the supermarket. I'd always get him a pack for Christmas).

I hope you start to feel better soon...Flowers

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 13/11/2015 12:22

I'm going to take a slightly different tack here.
Firstly, sorry for you loss Flowers

I wonder if you are focussing on these issues instead of dealing with grieving for the loss of your father.

Yes, the company weren't very nice but they didn't actually behave unfairly. A lot of companies only allow time off for the funeral and nothing else unless you are responsible for arranging it. They adjusted your hours to allow you to leave early and reduced your salary accordingly. Many company reduce bonuses after a certain amount of absence.

It is easier to focus your anger and grief on the company than dealing with the enormity of losing a parent. Both my parents have died as have DH's (along with a couple of his siblings) and we have both spent time focussed on the events around the time where our loved one was dying rather than dealing with the loss itself. DH got very upset about not being allowed more than 1 day when his brother died (brother was abroad) so had to use holiday to go to the funeral. It was clear that his reaction was at least in part having to deal with the shock of a sibling who was only a few years older than him dying unexpectedly.

My DM died when I was 16 and I spend several years feeling that the world was a very unfair place and that people were being unfair to me. Every little bit of unfavourable or thoughtless behaviour hit me much harder because I was feeling so raw. Deep down I felt it was very unfair that my DM had died so young and when I was quite young and I projected that feeling of unfairness into my everyday life (it is easier to see that 30 years later than it was at the time).

Take care of yourself and perhaps find someone to talk to either general counselling or bereavement counselling such as Cruse
www.cruse.org.uk/

AuntieMeemz · 13/11/2015 13:53

I really feel for you. It was personal to you, and has left you hurt and angry. Work itself is stressful enough,at the best of times.

Something similar is happening to me.
For me, a bit of a rest, then onwards to the future. Like many people on this post, life has been unfair and unkind to me recently, but I'm starting to look ahead.

Hugs

rookiemere · 13/11/2015 16:44

I agree with so much of what chaz has said.

I read through your post and whilst I feel incredibly sorry that you had such a tough time, from a management perspective I'm not sure how much leeway she had to handle the situation differently.

Also if she had handled it differently what that would have looked like as reading it a removed party, it does seem as if they tried to work with you, although clearly from your side that's not what it feels like.

Be kind to yourself, try to get some counselling sorted this year and then you could enter 2016 with this work incident in your past, rather than consuming your present.

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