to ask how many people kept weight off after a VLC diet?

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I'm a complete yoyo dieter myself. Have you had a fast weight loss and managed to keep the weight off after?

I'm thinking of doing a vlcd (cambridge?) for about a month and then swapping onto SW or WW once I've got going. Bad idea?

HicDraconis this is exactly what I intend on doing.

yo-yo weight is extremely bad for you.

all diets will fail if the person then starts eating too much again. This is why the diet industry is such a glorious money spinner. The sugar-shake diet is a great one for that as it means you learn nothing about healthy eating so it will almost certainly fail.

look at how much you are eating and what. When doesn't matter, whatever works for you.

Very low calorie diets mess up your metabolism completely, lots of research has proved this.
A permanent healthy balanced diet is the only way to keep the weight off.

Done. Phoned the SW consultant and found a group tonight locally

In all honesty last time I did SW I lost a huge amount fairly fast so in a few weeks hopefully I will have that motivation I was after of a good loss. Seems fairly hard to eat as stupidly and emotionally as I have been on the plan so the work it would take to do so will put me off binge eating I hope

The problem with VLCDs is that they do not teach you how to eat properly once you have lost weight.

TBH I'd say save the money you spend on SW or WW or any of them and
work out your TDEE
now work it out at your absolutely ideal, dream world weight
now get yourself onto MFP and see if you can eat like a thin person
ie within your lean, mean TDEE
six days a week.
one day a week you get to do what you like

if you are very overweight you'll find that eating the skinny meals will make you lose weight at a steady 1-2 lb a week
and when you get lean, you'll already be eating the right way to stay lean

I do agree TalkinPeas if you're less fickle than myself and have more willpower and motivation, but I will start with SW as the group focus and shame of weigh ins will help keep me going/get started. Iv procrastinated far too long over my health.

I did a VLC for 2 weeks, lost close to a stone and I've kept it off. That was 4 months ago.

If you do try a VLCD then Cambridge can work for you. It did for me. I lost 4 stone. What most people don't realise is is that after doing the VLCD part (shakes, soups and bars) there are 5 steps to work your way through to retrain your eating habits (basically calorie counting and making the right choices). s with any diets even WW and SW if when you reach goal you go back to your old habits unsurprisingly you put the weight back on.

What I liked about Cambridge was the quick weight loss which was a great incentive to stick to plan. DO make sure you work up the steps properly and this is what retrains your metabolism.

I lost 6st using Lighter Life 2 years ago.

The weight has stayed off. I have some fluctuations - Christmas, holidays etc... but nothing too drastic.

LL worked for me because the weight came off rapidly - motivation
The session councillor was excellent. Lots of practical and emotional help. Those lessons have stayed with me.

I will always be careful about the quantities of food I eat and I exercise regularly.

I lost 10 stone on slimming world 13 years ago Seven stone of it came off in seven months and i got gallstones. Two docs and a surgeon told me it was caused by fast weight loss.

I regained 4 stone between 2006 and 2013 due to becoming a carer.

Ive lost that 4 stone regain slowly over the past 2 years. Using slimming world again but tweaking it so my sugar intake is as low as possible. I dont eat something just because its low syn if its too high in sugar= no muller lights or hifi bars.

So ive done both fast weight loss and slow and slow feels much better. The only problem this time was psychological .....having to sit in class and listen to fast weight losses each week.

Ive been vindicated though because the past two Christmases at the first weigh in after Christmas i only put on 3 pounds in the whole of December which soon came off again. The fast losers gained around a stone.

I will always be careful about the quantities of food I eat and I exercise regularly

got it in two!!

LighterLife poster girl Pauline Quirke hasn't done this with the inevitable result. She has some food issues, it seems.

I wouldnt touch a VLCD with a barge pole.

www.joylent.eu

My dds boyfriend doesn't like cooking and since she is away all week with work he has researched ( think geek) and started buying these to use instead of food.

Then at weekrnds rats with DD

The consequence is that you know exactly how many calories you are eating and he has worked out how many calories his sedate body needs - I told you geeky

Do he needs x amount of calories and do gives his body x amount and now two months later has lost one stone in weight

This wasn't the reason he did this as explained, but it is the consequence of adjusting his calories to meet his bodies needs precisely.

He was only interested in a product that have his body all the nutrients, minerals etc and reckons that his health has improved from now getting this rather than eating food that may not give a broad spectrum of food.

This wouldn't be for me, but I guess for some people this may be ideal

I have read Dr Esselstyns book on prevention of heart disease and he puts patients on s diet but finds it is group sessions when they all get together and share ideas that helps them stay on track

If you do decide to go the VCLD route, make sure you take hair and nails supplement.

no, that's not geeky (the nasty MN term for someone who understands science; they even use it as a forum title!). That's plain stupid.

he needs fibre and fresh food. The sugar-shakes may keep him alive but he's stuffing up his health, which is beyond entitled. I imagine 'research' is 'I read it on the internet'.

must also be costing a bomb. Hope your daughter doesn't make any more of these...

TBH they have limited use for anyone who isn't having surgery and needs very fast weight loss etc - people really do put all the weight plus more on afterward

There is absolutely no evidence that this is true at all.
And a paper in the Lancet which came last October, showed the exact opposite! You were just as likely to keep it off as the control diet and after many months had lapsed, you were lighter than those on other diets, because you'd lost more to begin with.

It's an utter myth that losing it fast causes you to gain it back and then some. If you go back to eating shit, you will get fat again -it's got bugger all to do with how you lost it.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141015190832.htm

As they cost less per day than food and have fibre, DD doesn't live there during the week as she works away - thus his desire to substitute food.

I am beyond words - clean ones, anyway.

the really cheapest, nastiest one of these schemes I could find costs £20 a week, plus postage. most of them are about £40 or more. He should be able to feed himself for that.

oh well, Darwin in action.

What on earth are you going on about re cheap and nasty.

You are aware that Diabetes UK has funded a £2.5million reserach grant (the biggest ever) into the usefulness of VLCDs for weight loss and health I presume? They haven't done that on a whim have they!

I would suggest that you really don't know what you are talking about to be honest. Do you understand anything about the legislation and strict controls around total dietary replacment by way of formula-based products? My guess is not!

That joylent thing looks much like slimfast??

You may as well eat icecream and have a vitamin tablet as do that.

I think VLCD sounds excrutiating if you like food. That sort of starvation changes your brain/mind long term and can make any food obsessions worse
joyproject.org/overcoming/starvation.html

Yes except if you are properly in ketosis, the ketone bodies act as an appetite suppressant.

Gibson et al published a paper as such in 2014.

Very low calories, but with adequate protein to maintain nitrogen balance and adequate carbs to prevent lean tissue breakdown for gluconeogenesis shows a massive reduction in hunger once ketosis is properly established (3-4 days).

Generally speaking, people have emotional reasons for eating which are far removed from true hunger.

And there are many many criticisms of a lot of Keys' work, including the Minnesota experiment, where starving lean (not obese) men - was never going to be a good idea!

Very low calorie diets mess up your metabolism completely, lots of research has proved this

On the contrary, not one piece has!

Special subject - he doesn't like cooking it was never to do with the weight or cost