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TheHouseOnTheLane · 05/11/2015 00:35

"How to avoid situations in which your working relationships breakdown."

"How to avoid situations in which your working relationships break down."

Which is correct please?

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RalphSteadmansEye · 05/11/2015 00:39

The second. You need the verb, not a noun.

Smidge001 · 05/11/2015 00:41

Agree with ralph

MyNewBearTotoro · 05/11/2015 00:43

"How to avoid situations in which your working relationships break down."

I don't really have a good enough grasp of grammar to properly explain why except that a 'breakdown' is sort of the after effect of things breaking down I guess. The term 'breakdown' very much refers to the act of a person having a mental breakdown - So a person might have a 'breakdown' as a result of their relationship breaking down but a relationship can't breakdown because it isn't a person.

I don't know. I don't think I explained that well, sorry I don't really have a good enough understanding of it myself but you want to use 'break down' anyway.

TheHouseOnTheLane · 05/11/2015 00:47

The noun breakdown (one word) means a failure to function, a collapse, or an analysis.

The verb phrase break down (two words) means to go out of order, cause a collapse, or separate into parts.

Then isn't breakdown correct in this context? A relationship fails to function and collapses.

It doesn't "go out of order"

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RalphSteadmansEye · 05/11/2015 00:57

It's nothing to do with the meaning, but to do with whether you need a verb (which takes the preposition 'down') or a noun.

In this case, you are using a verb.

A relationship can suffer a breakdown (noun) (suffer is the verb here).

OR

A relationship can break down (verb plus preposition - 'down' is where it has broken)

Your sentence has the same parts or ingredients as the second.

3point14159265359 · 05/11/2015 00:59

It's not about the definition of the word particularly, it's about the part of speech. And the part of speech you need is the verb (or, in this case, verbal phrase), which is break down.

Mmmmcake123 · 05/11/2015 01:04

The second example is correct. The first needs more added to the sentence. Breakdown should be given caps if used as a noun.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 05/11/2015 01:06

Then isn't breakdown correct in this context? A relationship fails to function and collapses.

No, because it's a noun.

It doesn't "go out of order"

It does. It ceases to function; Falls apart; Stops working properly.

Trust us, you want sentence #2 Grin

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 05/11/2015 01:08

(Those two definitions are very similar in meaning apart from the noun/verb difference.)

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 05/11/2015 01:10

Have you ever seen, in English, a piece of broken machinery or equipment with an "Out of Order" sign on it?

It means "not in working order".

Is that clearer?

CheckedMate · 05/11/2015 01:25

You need a verb, not a noun. Breakdown is a noun, a thing. The correct option is number two.

And, YANeverBU to ask for grammar help! If only more people would! :o

SenecaFalls · 05/11/2015 01:37

The correct option is number two.

brittabot · 05/11/2015 01:43

On the face of it the answer is 'break down', but if this is a specific scenario you shoukd check with whoever asked the question!

sykadelic · 05/11/2015 01:54

I actually don't like the sentence itself because it doesn't read well.

I'd change it to something more like: "How to avoid a breakdown of your working relationships"

ComposHatComesBack · 05/11/2015 02:18

Sky I agree.

The sentence in the op is inelegant and unnecessarily wordy. I much prefer your rendering.

What about 'Preserving good working relationships'?

Senpai · 05/11/2015 02:26

I'd honestly change the sentence so that the meaning isn't ambiguous like sky suggested.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 05/11/2015 03:01

The meaning isn't ambiguous Confused

The sentence isn't elegant, granted, but the meaning is quite clear.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 05/11/2015 03:06

On the face of it the answer is 'break down', but if this is a specific scenario you shoukd check with whoever asked the question!

Why?! She asked about grammar.

"How to avoid situations in which your working relationships breakdown."
cannot be and isn't a grammatically correct sentence.

"How to avoid situations in which your working relationships break down." is. (It contains a verb and has a clear meaning.)

TheHouseOnTheLane · 05/11/2015 03:24

So if the sentence was as Sky suggested, then it would be correct?

"How to avoid a breakdown of your working relationships."

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StrawberryTeaLeaf · 05/11/2015 03:29

Yes; Correct and more elegant.

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