to think that if you live near a city centre you should expect this

[mileend2bermondsey]

I currently live about 10 miles from a big city which I work in. To save money on parking in the city centre at on average 8gbp per day I drive to the outskirts of the city, park on the closest street that does not have yellow lines and walk just over a mile into work. I was chatting to a friend about it who said I was lucky my car has been nicked (dodgy area) then goes on to say she'd be fuming if commuters parked on her street. My opinon is that if you chose to live on one of the first streets without parking restrictions, there are bound to be people who will park there to save money, same with living near a train station. I used to live in a terrace opposite a shopping precinct, during business hours you couldn't park on the street for love nor money. It was part and parcel of living in that particular location, I got on with it until I could move and consider such factors when moving since. I certainly wouldnt blame the drivers or key their cars over such a 'slight' as my friend thinks may happen.

Ah. Yes please. They basically don't give a shit about anyone or anything and despite my pleas of my job needing access to car at all times, nothing

I dont know why this has become a rich/poor issue about poor people not being able to afford houses with driveways. Surely houses near city centres/train stations ect are more expensive than other similar properties without such nearby conveniences?

Yeees, but in this bit of outer London you'd have a fair old way to go before you got to an area with driveways that was also cheaper. Must be different where you live.

It's not rich v poor - it's affordable v not. I'm nowhere near poor, but there's no way I could afford a house with a drive anywhere around here, because they are all mansions. Like much of London, normal houses weren't built with driveways, and councils now reject applications for new dropped kerbs and turning front gardens into drives because (oh the irony) it reduces the availability of on street parking.

I think people who drive 20 minutes to park on the nearest street to the CPZ every day tend to be inconsiderate arses, if those streets are busy/fairly full and they have to circle the block for ages until a space opens up. Doesn't get my blood pressure up, just motivates me to keep bothering the council to extend the CPZ far enough to force commuters to actually use the station car park rather than clogging up residential streets.

I think its a good thing for a driver to keep traffic congestion out of a city centre and walk some distance.

But it's not necessarily an either/or, is it? The driver doesn't have to park right on the edge of the RPZ, they could park a bit further away so there is less chance of the same unfortunate people getting evicted from their parking space every day. Or they could take public transport, or car share, etc etc.

It is silly not to consider the surrounding area when moving somewhere

But for a lot of people the problem has arisen after they moved. Should they therefore sell up and move house again?

If the residents are that bothered they can request their street is made Permit Holders only. Thats what we did - our street is inbetween a primary school, a library, a leisure centre and a TA centre. It was the only solution. Prior to that, yes, it was annoying not to get parked outside my own door but these cars werebt doing anything illegal.

But for a lot of people the problem has arisen after they moved. Should they therefore sell up and move house again?
If anguish of not being able to park outside their house is such a heavy cross to bear that they throw dog shit at peoples car/advocate keying cars/threaten non resident parkers with a baseball bat, then yes, I think they should move.

If the residents are that bothered they can request their street is made Permit Holders only. Thats what we did - our street is inbetween a primary school, a library, a leisure centre and a TA centre. It was the only solution. Prior to that, yes, it was annoying not to get parked outside my own door but these cars werebt doing anything illegal.

If only it were always that simple!

Our street and surrounding streets are permit holders only, it makes no difference.
As I said people park there to pick up, so they wait and only move if a traffic warden comes.
The hours that aren't restricted people will still park. We have been known to come home and have nowhere to park at all, it's ridiculous.
Moving is our only option. It wasn't like this 14 years ago when we moved, there are just too many cars and people not prepared to pay for car parks.

I had no idea that there were so many people who live on a small island, with a densely packed population, where terraces are build jammed up against each other, who genuinely thought they could kind of own and always park on but not actually pay for the road outside their houses!

I'm not anguished MileEnd. I don't even drive ;-)

But you asked my opinion, and my opinion is that the tight cunts should pay to park in the designated places rather than crowding residents out of their own streets.

And mine is that stroppy cunts who think they own the road they live in can go fuck themselves.

YANBU. That kind of street is everybody's to park on.

It's not the residents' street though Jack, you don't buy the street when you buy the house. Everyone has just as much right to park there.

Honestly I'm disgusted by the people who cheerfully admit to throwing dog poo and keying cars. Criminal damage is now acceptable but parking where you're legally entitled to isn't?

ho genuinely thought they could kind of own and always park on but not actually pay for the road outside their houses!

Find one on this thread and tell me, or otherwise think about taking that straw man down to the local scout hut and chuck him on the bonfire?

I am disappointed but unsurprised about the increasing prevalence of mildly antisocial twerps around who take an 'I'm all right guv' approach to life. No arguing with some people when it comes to standards of decency and community, though.

I do agree with Grizzle that criminal damage in response is beyond the pale. Again, decency, community. If it's more than an irritant in a person's life they may need help with their sense of proportion.

Apologies, I missed the single post in the whole thread that suggested you should always be able to park outside your own house, which was the appalling one from Regina.

Still not 'so many people', is if? Unless a sample size of 1 person saying cuntish things on Mumsnet blows your mind.

Oh, Jassy, there are loads on this thread (and all the others like it.) You must have missed the very first reply, which chortled at the thought of keying a visitor's car. I think only those two posters actually recommended criminal actions, but there were many more with the same attitude.

It's just so unbearable to have to walk your shopping and child to the front door, you know? And good chauffeurs are impossible to find these days

No one has the right to claim the street outside their house as their own... And them to 'protect' that right with anti-social behaviour... If people want their own parking space, they need to buy a place with a parking space... If they can't afford that, then tough shit.

Exactly this Flash.

I live in a tenement flat with no off street parking. The tenement is about as wide as a double fronted house but has four floors and contains 16 flats (so potentially 30 odd cars) how would we decide who gets the cushy spot right outside the front door? , Like most people accept that it is going to be a free for all with residents, commuters and football fans all vying for a space.

It's more of a cackle than an chortle Garlick.

True, Jack!

Parking legally is fine. Residents might think it's inconsiderate. If the OP parked outside a different house (or field) each day, then another driver would be along to park outside that house.
Is it any better to have a different car parked outside each day?

Eh, I saw a lot of people irritated and who'd quite like to be able to park within walking distance of their houses from time to time, rather than people demanding the right to park Right Outside Their Homes. But we must be reading differently...

DS1 gets really excited if we're ever able to park outside the house. It's a fairly rare event. I do feel like we're getting to know the tight fuckers regular commuters who favour our street. I'm quite tempted to leave notes for some of them on how to park more effectively, some are really rubbish at it and take up far more space than needed.

compost is it a sandstone tenement? I love those! Beautiful buildings. Over engineered they'll last 10 lifetimes and look so elegant. I love the Christmas trees in the bay windows this time of year looks so homely. ( derails thread )

If the residents are that bothered they can request their street is made Permit Holders only

They can request. That is absolutely no guarantee that they'll get their request granted. What should they do then?

It's just so unbearable to have to walk your shopping and child to the front door, you know?

The same heavy sarcasm could be directed to commuters who find it so unbearable to pay for convenience, or to travel by public transport, or to have to walk a little further rather than always parking in the first street past the RPZ.

My in-laws have their own off-street parking which they use. They also firmly believe they own the strip of public road in front of their house and get angry when anyone other than a visitor parks there. They believe they have the right not to have any vehicle parked there. (Not that the view of the house across the street is that attractive). They spend a lot of time being annoyed.