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To think that friend should not blame me for her DH getting drunk?

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Cicero7 · 29/10/2015 05:53

The background is that my friend was at uni with me and have, I thought, a friendship going back over many years. Her DH and my DH get on well and they have been on holiday with us and our DC and are godparents to DC1. I used to meet friend for lunch quite often when we both worked in the city, but much less since she changed jobs, although kept in contact.

Friend's DH likes a drink and friend will drink wine although I think she is a bit wary of alcohol, as her father was an alcoholic. I only know this because her DH told me, as friend is very private and does not confide in people although she is very interested in other people's problems - not in a negative way, as she is supportive - but just doesn't share anything of her background.

Anyway, friend's DH had to come to see a client in the town where we live and suggested meeting for lunch, which I was happy to do. We did have several drinks, I would say about 5 over about 3 hours. We were just chatting and catching up (all very open and above board BTW) but after a few drinks, friend's DH confided that he was finding it difficult because friend's new job was situated several hundred miles away and, although she came home at weekends, he was finding this difficult. I think he couldn't understand why she didn't want to be with him and was hurt by this. (Friend and DH have no DC together although he has 2 from a previous marriage so no problems re childcare etc).

The conversation then progressed to my saying that I was very fond of friend but found it difficult that despite our years of friendship, she still did not feel that she could confide in me. Friend's DH said that she didn't confide in him either.

Anyway, we finished lunch/drinks, friend's DH went home and I thought no more about it other than it was a nice lunch and feeling a bit sorry for him.

I then saw my friend for lunch a month or two later and she was distinctly off with me. She was amiable on the face of it, but said she didn't know why people had children if they weren't going to look after them themselves (I have worked full time for most of my career but by the time I met her DH had started working from home on a self-employed basis so more flexibility which is why I was free to meet her DH for lunch). She also said that my DC were disrespectful of me, which I was very hurt by. In my view, they are just normal DC but in any event much older now. She said that it was good to be working away from her DH as he would then appreciate her more.

After this lunch, I did not hear from friend apart from Christmas cards (in her DH's writing). She ignored various chatty e-mails and I thought this must be the end of the friendship but I persevered because we have been friends for so long and because she is godmother to my eldest. She was also very kind to my other DC when they were young, even coming to look after them for a week as she said I and DH needed a break. It was a random offer which we were happy to accept but came entirely from her. She also has about 7 other godchildren - she offered to become a god parent when DC1 was born but now seems to have lost interest entirely.

Eventually, last week, we met up after she and DH accepted my invitation to go out for lunch for my DH'd birthday. She was very chatty and friendly but 'explained' the fact that we had not met for several years by saying that her DH had been in a terrible drunken state after having lunch with me and had even lost some of his possessions on the train home. Her DH looked a bit sheepish and said that this was true. He also teased me and said, as I was drinking a glass of water (I had wine as well) - 'Oh look, Mrs C is drinking water, that's a first'. I just laughed and didn't really comment.

Friend and DH gave us big hugs when we left and invited us to stay at theirs , which we couldn't on the date suggested, but I suppose the friendship is sort of repaired. However, I am left a bit 'meh' about it or probably, more accurately, remain a bit hurt.

Also, her DH got very drunk on cocktails when they had dinner with us about 20 years ago (apparently urinated in the street on the way home), which she used to remind us about every so often.

Sorry this is long, but AIBU to think that people's alcohol consumption is their own responsibility and that I should not be blamed if her DH drinks too much. For what it's worth, I have lunch quite often with friends, some of whom don't drink alcohol at all. It doesn't bother me what people drink but AIBU to think it is not my fault if a consenting adult drinks too much?

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MrsKoala · 29/10/2015 11:03

5 drinks over 3 hours with food is hardly 'boozing' . Its a long friendly chatty lunch isn't it? And how could you be so drunk you lost your possessions? I find that really strange. Was he that pissed when he left you op? Because if he seemed fine i would suspect he stopped for more drinks on the way home and then blamed you for 'getting him drunk'. Banging on about getting drunk and peeing in the street years ago seems beyond uptight to me as well.
i see no problem with what you did or said op. Its quite normal to discuss what's currently going on and feelings with friends, and this often includes observations (not criticisms) of mutual friends.
She sounds quite hard work.

LagunaBubbles · 29/10/2015 11:19

5 drinks over 3 hours with food is hardly 'boozing' . Its a long friendly chatty lunch isn't it? And how could you be so drunk you lost your possessions? I find that really strange

Me to!

Fidelia · 29/10/2015 11:30

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Abidewithme3 · 29/10/2015 11:38

She's entitled to be a closed book. I never understand that friends are expected up share everything. I don't but am a great listener.

When you were both dissecting her character behind her back like that you should have realised that's not the act of a friend. You and he were flirting. You know it, he knows it and more importantly your friend knows it.
This is absolutely sod all to do with alcohol.

I don't blame your friend backing off. Your and his actions discussing her like that were horrible.

Scremersford · 29/10/2015 11:45

I also found this flirty, at least his part:

but after a few drinks, friend's DH confided that he was finding it difficult because friend's new job was situated several hundred miles away and, although she came home at weekends, he was finding this difficult. I think he couldn't understand why she didn't want to be with him and was hurt by this.

Bit of a cliché, isn't it? If a friend's husband said something like that to me, I'd feel pretty uncomfortable. Most people would, wouldn't they?

As if she is doing anything wrong! Theres a recession, jobs are hard to come by and good on her for going to the effort of working away from home, without relocating her family. Is hardly an issue of "not wanting to be with someone" - what a strange assumption to make.

You sound like you are actually going looking or trouble, both in her relationship and her character. How would you feel if someone assassinated your personality behind your back.

I think this woman sounds almost a bit of a saint not to tell you and her DH to get lost. Its probably her main failing that she is a bit too soft!

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 29/10/2015 11:51

DH was on a fishing expedition. Sorry, but he was.

He then probably went for more drinks before getting the train, hence losing the possessions.

She then went batshit crazy and he said 'it's because you're a controlling old bat who has crazy ideas round alcohol and never lets me in - and Cicero agrees by the way, we had a good old chat about you."

Obvs none of this is your fault. But you are very critical of her - perhaps understandably as you then felt dropped because of the lunch - and she has put this together with the above and is now convinced you either hate or or are after her husband, or her husband is after you.

I don't think this can be rescued, to be honest.

And I put the blame for that squarely at the DH's feet.

whois · 29/10/2015 12:28

To be honest, I wouldn't class someone who I knew so little about as a 'good friend'.

And her behaviours has been strange, even if she was annoyed her DH shared too much and thought you were bitching about her, she dealt with it in a odd way.

Cicero7 · 29/10/2015 15:07

She is lovely, we go back a long way, lots of interests in common, I value her friendship , and I am sorry if this has not come across. I would not be posting otherwise. I don't see how I have been critical of her TBH. I responded to posts but this is an anonymous forum - people post all kinds of things in order to seek impartial advice, which is what I am seeking.

Her DH suggested the lunch, we were not flirting and i was not out to bitch about her, he genuinely seemed upset. She had packed in a job in the city where she was home every night to take up a position at half the money over a hundred miles away.

I feel I could be seen as disloyal and I feel badly about it, but I really said very little. I do agree with the poster who said that they can't be too close to someone who does not confide in them. And she does ask a lot of questions and want to know things whereas other friends are still good friends but we don't exchange very personal information, it seems one sided in that respect.

I just feel a bit hurt at the comments about my DC and also that she seems to hold me responsible for her DH getting drunk.

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SevenOfNineTrue · 29/10/2015 15:46

If he likes a drink and was not pissed when he left you, I suspect he stopped off on the way home to get a skin full. That is not your fault.

ILiveAtTheBeach · 29/10/2015 16:02

I don't think you have done anything wrong. I think you do like your friend, but when her DH confided in some of his frustrations, you also shared yours. The problem you've got, is that he could use that in an argument. I would wager, that at some point they've been having a row about her being closed down emotionally and he has said "It's not just me that thinks that, Cicero feels this way too". And bam, she is mightily pissed off. She's held back for a few years and now she's calmed down, she's moved on and is over it, hence she's friendly with you again. Regards the drink, that's not your problem. Were you supposed to tell him he can't have alcohol? Ridiculous. And 5 drinks over 3 hours, does not a pissed man make. So yes, I reckon he had more after he left the pub, either at the station if he had an hours wait on his train, or buying tinnies for the journey.

Atenco · 29/10/2015 16:30

Sorry, no advice, but I honestly cannot interpret what you said as "slagging her off". Even her DP was basically saying that he misses her. I'm sure I've said much more critical things about friends I love. In fact, I don't see the criticism.

Your friend does sound nice from what you say about her (again I don't see any slagging off here), but difficult.

Cicero7 · 29/10/2015 16:34

Beach, sadly, I fear that is exactly how it is.

Lesson learned and I am trying to salvage the situation. Maybe we have just grown apart as others have suggested, but like any relationship I believe that sometimes you have to work at it and I do want to keep her as a friend. I had felt an empathy, we both lost our parents young etc, as well as shared interests and experiences, or I would not have persevered.

I did wonder, to be honest, if her DH had had more drinks on the way home, as I just saw it as a nice lunch, some drinks but certainly not 'blotto', and didn't think anything was amiss until she started ignoring me.

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PiperChapstick · 29/10/2015 17:01

YANBU. She is.

Sulking at her DH getting a bit tiddly? Some people are so uptight!! My DH once came home drunk and pissed in the oven. I laughed it off (it was broken anyway and we were waiting on a new one).

Atenco · 30/10/2015 11:56

I do agree with the poster who said that they can't be too close to someone who does not confide in them

Actually I am not really the confiding type, myself, and I love my friends

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