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AIBU to be upset with this friend?

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Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 00:41

So one of my closest friends is a colleague from work. We're not in the same team, but same department (we used to be in the same team at one point)

We're very close and we tell each other everything. Him and I have been through ups and downs and we've always come out of them. For example, he said he had fallen in love with me a few months back and I didn't think of him the same way. I genuinely thought that would be the end of our friendship, but we got through it and we were still friends!

Now recently things have gotten every strained and awkward and I need some thoughts on the situation.

Before I explain what happened, I want to give some background on his character. He's a bit of a chauvinist (you can tell me if I'm being harsh after you've heard the story) and he's also a bit resentful of anyone else's success.

For example, he NEVER has anything g good to say about the work of a female colleague or manager. I understand that it's entirely possible that some of them totally deserve the criticism, but surely not all?! How can all the women he's ever worked with be utterly crap as he describes? Secondly, our firm also allows parents to work flexible hours and every time a woman does it, he thinks it's "unfair". My company recently allowed a senior manager to take some time off work for mental health reasons (her husband was abusing her physically) and then once she had sorted her personal life out, they brought her back to the same role. I think this is fantastic and heartening, but he seems to think it was "unfair"

I've had some successes at work and I've done a lot of work in my time here. He's never once acknowledged it.

I've never taken these things to heart and I've always overlooked them. But recently something just snapped. I was asked by HR and my manager to speak to young uni students coming in for an open day. Basically, I was asked to represent the company and share my experiences and successes with people looking to join the company. This is an honour, and I was pleased. When I mentioned it to him he asked- "really? Why you?" Coming from who I considered to be a close friend, I found this shockingly rude. I still wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. So I jokingly said," well ,maybe they think I speak well and will represent the company well? Why so shocked?" His response? "Interesting" no well done, no acknowledgement that yes Nicebucket, of course you'll do well - nothing.

And this incident made me think back to all the times he's subtly put down my work. I try not to be too forceful or political at work and I'm usually a good sport, so maybe I overlooked it. But I notice he's always made fun of me a little- oh you're always the last one to arrive, you probably don't start work before 11, you spend three hours in the office loo doing your makeup, you're going to suck at this project. He's said it all jokingly and I've always assumed he's pulling my leg, but now I wonder if he believed what he said.

I've also always maintained that I'm interested in getting married or starting a family anytime soon (if ever). While all my other friends respectfully accept this, he's always said " I give it less than two years, this obsession with the job won't last, you'll be married and pregnant. The desire to procreate is evolution" He'd never say this to a man right? I find it patronising that he thinks my focus on my career is a phase and I'll be barefoot and pregnant in two years.

Anyway, after the conversations above, I've been a bit pissed off. And he's probably sensed it, so he's asked me if something was wrong. This was at work and I didn't want to create a scene so I just said everything was cool and we could talk in detail later.

After that things just got really awkward over the past couple of days even though I've been normal and polite. Today he just didn't talk to me all day and at this work party he was really withdrawn and borderline rude.

I'm even more pissed off now, because after behaving this way it still looks lie, he wants ME to apologise and ask him what's wrong.

Am I overreacting? Should I ask him what's wrong or let him have his sulk?

Also, AIBU in my annoyance over his attitude?

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IrenetheQuaint · 24/10/2015 09:56

God he sounds AWFUL. I would be a bit less accepting of shit other people say in future if I were you!

Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 10:03

You're right I have been a bit "soft". I should have stopped the comments when they started.

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Aeroflotgirl · 24/10/2015 10:21

He sounds very negative, Mabey he has very low self esteem and confidence. These sorts of people usually do, he is putting you and others down to make him feel better. I woukd try and talk to him.

NumbBlaseCold · 24/10/2015 11:12

He sounds very sexist.

One rule for the mothers and another rules for fathers exemplifies that.

He does sound very bitter and negative, I wonder if he feels hard done by- maybe not advancing as fast as you or other women in his department?

If so, perhaps that is why he is so bitter and puts women down, because he is the problem and reason he does not go as far and get as much and should he compare himself to the other men then that would be highlighted.

So he compares himself to women using sexist and pathetic excuses.

Sounds like he is deeply insecure.

When he supported you, was it as you would support a friend?

Or did he give you a moderated level of support with subtle put downs in there too?

He is being unprofessional sulking, if you tackle him head on it will end the friendship and let him know how you feel at once.

Which is win win given his attitude and how he is making you feel.

miaowroar · 24/10/2015 11:25

Is there something dodgy about how he knows about your future work prospects? This would be the only thing stopping me from having that conversation with him, which he hasn't allowed you to have.

I agree with a pp that he has probably realised that you now realise what a tool he is and is therefore (with his own skewed logic) blaming you.

But it worries me that he has this piece of knowledge and might misuse it in some revenge/blackmail sort of way.

DoreenLethal · 24/10/2015 11:29

I recommend that next time, you choose your friends more wisely.

I make it a personal rule not to befriend racists, sexists, homophobes or Tories.

And I have to say having such rules has treated me well.

Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 14:10

Well, it is not dodgy per se, but let's say the big boss has bent the rules for me a little to get me a role I want next year. Nothing illegal, just needs to be kept a secret until it happens.

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amarmai · 24/10/2015 14:18

you have given him ammunition to use against you and if he is as he sounds he may well use it.

Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 14:47

I know Sad what shall I do?

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miaowroar · 24/10/2015 14:52

Does the big boss know that he knows?

minimalist000001 · 24/10/2015 15:00

Curve ball! Is there any chance he has feelings for you and is childishly jealous when your other relationships are going well

AyeAmarok · 24/10/2015 16:08

I think you need to tell big boss that this guy knows and is likely to cause trouble for you. Come clean is nearly always the best tactic, I find. Then it can be managed/dealt with.

amarmai · 24/10/2015 16:20

you were not clear as to how he found out. Did he snoop on your phone/computer/---? Maybe that answer will help you when telling the boss about this leakage .

Notgrumpyjustquiet · 24/10/2015 16:25

So they were being nice because I'm "pretty". Not because of the possibility that I'm really good at what I do?

no, they weren't being nice because you are pretty. They were being nice because they were professional people and took you seriously, because you are good at what you do and that came across.

He made that comment because he is a twat. He probably lacks the self awareness to even begin to figure out why people don't treat him so well as they do his other colleagues.

Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 16:42

No, big boss doesn't know I told him.

The thing is, I went through some very tough times at work initially. My first manager was a nightmare and I was desperately in need of an ally. Things started improving when I made friends within the team, particularly when she realised I had support now. That's why I subconsciously may have ignored things I otherwise wouldnt- I was sinking and I needed some in my corner.

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Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 16:45

Please don't judge me, but in a weak moment I had told him. He has been around for 9 years he knows who's a trustworthy person and who isn't. I didn't know the big boss that well, and when this offer came to me, I didn't know whether to trust him or not. So I sought a second opinion (in retrospect, this was clearly a monumentally stupid decision)

Other people do know about this "deal", but obviously not through me.

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Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 16:46

AyeAmarok- I think that is what I might need to do...

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AyeAmarok · 24/10/2015 16:50

It takes away a bit of his 'power' if he doesn't have this big secret that he can use to effectively hold you to ransom with.

Tell the big boss. Don't tell Tosspot that you have told the boss though. Then take a very big step back from this guy.

QueenPotato · 24/10/2015 16:59

He sounds like a misogynist, and hates women and is scared of them ever besting him. His friendship with you has probably always been about trying to get in your pants. I know that's harsh and it doesn't mean it wasn't a friendship worth having, but when you rejected him it probably massively dented his ego. The put-downs and sneering are because he can't bear you a) not wanting him and b) doing well at work. As for the sexist comments about you getting maried - what a narrow-minded, 1950s-style twunt. Urgh.

You need for this man not to be a close friend any more. Distance, distance, distance. Be polite and reasonable, no drama, just cool it off and leave him to pursue someone else. I think that will happen once he sees he's not getting to you and you have no interest in him.

And be thankful you never did get involved with him and don't have this sorry excuse for a man as a partner! Good call.

Bloomsberry · 24/10/2015 17:09

You can't control his behaviour, and there are no sanctions unless you're prepared to go to HR, which it doesnt sound as if you are. You can, on the other hand, learn from this experience by not blurring work/friendship boundaries in future, not putting up with unpleasant, misogynist behaviour because you're 'good sport', not giving colleagues who have long demonstrated professional jealousy of you ammunition to damage you etc.

Are you very young and comparatively new to the workplace, OP? Because what emerges as most worrying from your OP is not the behaviour of this common or garden chauvinist but why you seem to be so much in search of his approval, when all the indications are that you're doing well at work. You are asked to be the public face of the company at a university. Which is a big compliment, but you're upset he doesn't endorse the approval. You have a good relationship with senior management, but are upset when he tries to undermine that by saying it's just because you're pretty. Why are you so insecure? And why isn't it obvious to you that these statements are spiteful attempts to undermine by someone you've (quite rightly) rejected sexually?

Bloomsberry · 24/10/2015 17:15

Also, as regards the sexist 'you're on fire to get married and make babies' stuff - if the idiot ever comes out with that again, surely the obvious response is that HE asked YOU out, and told you he was in love with you. YOU turned him down.

Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 17:27

Bloomsberry- I am 26 and been working for only 2 years. So yes, comparatively new to it all Blush

I probably came across as insecure, but I'm more angry than anything else. I was unsure about whether I was overreacting or whether this guy was a actual twat. But the overwhelming opinion seems to be that he is indeed a twat, so I'm happy I was in the right track.

I'm definitely not seeking his approval, I just did make the mistake of considering him a good friend and I expect friends to be respectful and supportive.

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QueenPotato · 24/10/2015 17:31

It took me a while to realise exactly how much some men hate women. You want to see the best in people and see a friend as a friend, that's understandable.

See this as a valuable learning experience that will help you know what to look out for, at work and generally. He's textbook.

Nicebucket · 24/10/2015 17:31

*on the right track. I'm running a temperature, so not exactly thinking straight while typing, sorry!

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Bloomsberry · 24/10/2015 17:40

It's good that you're angry now, Nice. But do just look back over how you write about your behaviour around your colleague - you say you're very close and tell one another everything, and have come through lots of ups and downs together, but the further detail you give suggests that your friendship rests on him undermining you and bitching about female colleagues to you, and then claiming to be in love with you, while you minimise his bad behaviour and laugh it off in order to be a 'good sport'.

You can make sure that never happens again by remembering this useful anger at him, having better boundaries, and bearing in mind that people can only treat you badly if you let them, professiinally and personally. And good luck in your future career, which is far more important than a mildly nasty colleague.