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to speak to teacher about this or should I let it pass?

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ihateminecraft · 19/10/2015 17:21

DD (yr4) has specific learning difficulties and as a result is bottom of the class in most subjects. She does have a strength though in that she's very good at art and is very creative. She scores highly on visual perception & spatial awareness standardised tests. I'm not claiming she's a child prodigy or something but she's clearly very able in that area, a fact acknowledged by every teacher she's ever had and has even won children's art comps! We have always tried raising her self esteem (which is low) by encouraging her, as have her teachers. Her current teacher (who is excellent and very experienced) even wrote in a report recently that she was "good at art".

Today she came home very upset saying she had been put in the "bottom art group". Didn't actually know they streamed for art, but anyway! I kept asking if she was sure and whether the teacher just split the class up to do different tasks and perhaps they would move round next week (DD has a tendency to get the wrong end of the stick, often!) But she said the teacher definitely said "top" and "bottom" and she wished she'd been able to record it on her ipod so I'd believe her! She said "See, I'm not even any good at that - in the bottom group for everything!"

If this is correct, I'm pretty upset and disappointed for DD, and also rather shocked as this teacher is very keen to help with her self esteem. However, I also don't want to risk looking like a pushy parent, especially if DD has got it all wrong!

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manicinsomniac · 20/10/2015 10:50

It could be a timetabling thing.

One year my Drama classes were 'setted' - but the sets were based on their French and Latin ability, not on their Drama ability.

If it is timetabling, it should be easy to explain to your DD that the groups are based on, for example, Maths and that that means the Art group will certainly have a wide mix of abilities in it.

PurpleDaisies · 20/10/2015 10:57

Kids believe all sorts of nonsense about why they're in particular groups. Sone of mine were alphabetical and even when I lined them up to show them that was how i'd done it some of them still wouldn't believe me.

It is highly unlikely that art is streamed. Have a chat with the teacher and see if you can sort it out before your daughter gets any issues with confidence.

Verbena37 · 20/10/2015 11:01

Good to chat to her teacher to clear up any misunderstand but no teacher in their right mind would actually top and bottom group to a child.

I'm sure your DD has got it a bit muddled up but she shouldn't be worried and upset about it so best chat to the teacher.

moosemama · 20/10/2015 11:13

I'd definitely get in touch with her teacher. Ds1, who has ASD, came home in the first week of term upset because he'd been moved down in Maths. Turned out he'd actually been moved up, well actually they'd created an additional group that the top of one set and the bottom of another moved into. He just made the negative assumption based on his own low-self-esteem.

ihateminecraft · 20/10/2015 16:14

I will try to catch the teacher when she's on duty one morning. Don't want to make a big thing of it but really would like to know what happened. DD said about a quarter of the children were put in the "top group" -something about them being better at shading which meant they were given a trickier task to do. It was in the same classroom but on a separate table. All the names she mentioned were some (but not all) of the more academic kids in the class. I'm not trying to claim she's the best in the class, but would definitely expect her to make the top quarter and for once in her life be recognised for being good at something :-(

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Oxfordblue · 20/10/2015 18:04

But why are you "trying to catch the teacher" ?

Go in there or ring up. Your dd has come home upset, you could bother to make a bit of effort for her.

saoirse31 · 20/10/2015 18:09

Completely agree with oxford blue. This is clearly v important to your dd. You need to be a bit more active on her behalf in this.

IsYourNameMichaelDiamond · 20/10/2015 18:19

Definitely shouldn't be setting for Art - and DEFINITELY shouldn't be using words 'top' and 'bottom' to refer to any groups - this is massive red flag to me (as a primary teacher who loves Y4 and sits children in mixed ability table groups for Art - spread the 'good shaders' around for optimum peer learning and minimum "Miss this is impossible" moans)
Eurgh and do you know what else? Good at art in Primart usually means being a good mimic and able to copy well which is obviously not true creativity - hmph sorry that's a personal bugbear Angry

IsYourNameMichaelDiamond · 20/10/2015 18:21

Primary not Primart... What's Primart autocorrect? Do tell!

Kelly3452 · 20/10/2015 18:27

I think most parents in your situation would ask the teacher what happened. Teachers want the best for your kids im sure theyd talk it through with you

ihateminecraft · 22/10/2015 08:59

Have spoken to teacher and, yes, it was a total misunderstanding. The teacher had a student working with her and gave her a small group to work with. She grabbed the first half a dozen or so books in the pile and they are kids she gave to the student to work with, it was totally random and nothing to do with ability. DD'S book was at the bottom of the pile as she'd missed the last lesson due to extra English. She said DD'S artwork is really good and she will have a quiet word to make sure she realises that!

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bumbleymummy · 22/10/2015 09:05

Oh that's good news! Glad it was all a misunderstanding :)

Youarentkiddingme · 22/10/2015 17:22

I'm glad it's sorted. And it'll also do wonders for your DDs confidence to know mum will help her when she's upset about things.

motherofallhangovers · 22/10/2015 17:24

Phew!

Mehitabel6 · 22/10/2015 18:04

Always worth having a word!

Scarydinosaurs · 22/10/2015 19:05

I felt sure it had to be a misunderstanding.

So glad it's sorted.

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