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To think that 'craft' beer is slightly silly, if not downright pretentious ?

61 replies

vienna1981 · 18/10/2015 16:22

After all, traditional ales have been brewed in the UK for centuries and it's at least forty years since the Campaign for Real Ale was founded to rescue beer drinkers from the might of the big national brewers. All well and good until about twenty five years ago when small independent breweries began to increase in number. Then some bright spark decided to label these 'micro-breweries'. What ? Aren't these just smaller versions of what's been around for decades ? Why the special name ? However it was far more recently that the term 'craft beer' was coined and it really makes me wince. Somehow referring to one of the oldest alcoholic drinks on the planet as a craft product just doesn't suit. If CAMRA conjures up images of beardy-weirdy sages earnestly discussing the pros and cons of individual brews then 'craft' makes me think of lifestyle fashion slaves eagerly sampling the newest beer from the craft movement.

I can't get my head round it. I love proper British beer, can't stand lager and otherwise applaud the traditional ale scene. But if I was a small scale brewer and my business was labelled as 'craft' I would want the labeller to get over themselves as quickly as possible. I'm hoping it's just a fashionable term that will go away as quickly as it appeared.

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usual · 18/10/2015 16:25

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RealityCheque · 18/10/2015 16:26

Yanbu.

Bullshit for hipsters!

Sighing · 18/10/2015 16:29

As above. Trendy people need to be told what is local/ individual/ small scale because they just don't want to find out or listen. Craft beer as a name is a bit of an import as a result. Fortunately the label doesn't take any joy out of finding a genuinely nice beer Grin

EastMidsMummy · 18/10/2015 16:30

about twenty five years ago [.....] small independent breweries began to increase in number. Then some bright spark decided to label these 'micro-breweries'. What ? Aren't these just smaller versions of what's been around for decades ?

Yes, they are tiny breweries, smaller than the smaller independents. I think YABU to object to a very small brewery being called a micro-brewery.

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theycallmemellojello · 18/10/2015 16:36

I don't really get your point. It's ok for you to like beer but not for hipsters? It's ok for breweries to be independent as long as they're above a certain size? The (meaningless) designation 'real' is ok but the (equally meaningless) designation 'craft' isn't? Sorry but it sounds like you just don't like hipsters (whatever they are!)

TheBunnyOfDoom · 18/10/2015 16:38

Isn't it just to let people know that it's brewed by a small local company as opposed to a national chain? I don't think it's anything to do with hipsters Confused.

OurBlanche · 18/10/2015 16:41

Crikey! So a one man band making a very small amount of beer can't be micro or craft?

VVU. Especially when much of the output of the few local ones tastes delicious. They could call themselves The Fucking Gods of Brewing for all I care. I buy some of it because I like the product and appreciate the care and consideration, not to mention odd recipes, that go into low production.

And at 50 I suspect my hipsters no longer fit.

OuchLegoHurts · 18/10/2015 16:45

In Ireland you couldn't get anything other than big international brands (Budweiser, Heineken etc) in pubs...they taste crap...and so the rise of craft beers has been a godsend here for people who actually like to taste something from their beer!

Nataleejah · 18/10/2015 16:46

It usually tastes vile. Makes me wonder if they 'craft' it from portable loos.

OurBlanche · 18/10/2015 16:53

Nataleejah what beers/ales do you like the taste of? Or do you dislike all beer/ales?

Maybe we/I could suggest some nice ones, if you already like some.

Nataleejah · 18/10/2015 16:57

Maybe i just been unlucky. Many festivals in our city so i don't really remember all those brands. Just never had found anything i'd really like.
I stick to what i know i like -- foreign brands: russian, lithuanian, german.

ComposHatComesBack · 18/10/2015 16:59

they call spot on. Nor would I want my beer labeled 'real ale'.

'Real ale' is marketing guff dreamed up by Camra to describe cask conditioned ale.

The narrow and backwards looking mantra of some of

all cask beer = good and authentic

all keg beer = mass produced tasteless rubbish

It isn't true, I've tasted some rotten, bland so called 'real' cask ales and some marvellous keg beers and vice versa of course, but I'm not as dogmatic in my thinking as you appear to be. It is perfectly possible to brew high quality, original, tasty keg beer in a small brewery. Because it doesn't meet your and Camera's backward definition of 'real ale' doesn't make it bad.

As to 'hating lager' I don't especially care for Carling, Tennents or Carlsburg, but I've tried some wonderful Pilsners brewed with great depth of flavour, quality ingredents and an original taste. To dismiss an entire brewing style is like saying you don't like white wine as as you had some Blue Nun once and it was horrible.

If anyone who is guilty of being shallow and obsessed with labels it is you.

BathtimeFunkster · 18/10/2015 17:03

It's ok for breweries to be independent as long as they're above a certain size? The (meaningless) designation 'real' is ok but the (equally meaningless) designation 'craft' isn't?

This.

There is more nice beer around to buy in off licences and pubs.

Maybe you need to reexamine your hipster credentials?

With all this "I was drinking beer before it was cool" nonsense, you might as well grow a bushy beard and ride a penny farthing.

weebarra · 18/10/2015 17:04

I drink most beer. I've just come back from a week on a small Scottish island where we got some lovely beers from the local brewery. Great, good for the local economy too. In my small county we've also got another independent brewery who are making nice stuff. I'm very glad my beer choice is no longer between Tennents or McEwans 80.

alleypalley · 18/10/2015 17:09

The term 'craft' is nonsense, as is the term 'real ale'. But some of the beers these smaller breweries are bringing out are lovely. I'm in London so Meantime and Camden Town Brewery are popular in a lot of places, and also Brewdog; all of which make some really nice beers.

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Bunbaker · 18/10/2015 17:22

OH is a massive real ale enthusiast. I will get him to read this thread and dispel a few misconceptions about craft beers/micro breweries and mass produced keg beer. Grin

OurBlanche · 18/10/2015 17:26

Nataleejah would they be blonde ales, look more like lager to a British eye?

If so you could try some of the Badger Ales that most supermarkets stock. Halls and Woodhouse is family owned (started in 1777) and they make a range of different ales, from blonde to ruby and darker. They have daft names too, you might find one you like (Hopping Hare, Golden Champion, even Fursty Ferret might suit).

OurBlanche · 18/10/2015 17:28

Bunbaker!!! don't say that! Someone will take offense that you could suggest that a man would need to tell us all about beer Smile

You might have guessed that I am an ale drinker Grin

Bunbaker · 18/10/2015 17:30
Grin

I'm not really an ale drinker, so my suggestion isn't based on the fact that OH is a man, but that he knows far more about beer than I do and could bore the pants off you about the subject

BorisJohnsonsHair · 18/10/2015 17:35

I'm quite glad of the label "craft beer" because it tells you it's not "real ale". Generally it's not cask-conditioned and is over-hopped, so I think it's wise that people can differentiate between them. [pint glass emoticon]

Nataleejah · 18/10/2015 17:40

OurBlanche
Brands like Å vyturys (Lithuania) or Baltika (Russia) produce a variety of sorts -- light, dark, wheat. Just very few shops stock that variety. International supermarkets mainly. And even fewer pubs you can find them.

OurBlanche · 18/10/2015 17:40

I drink both, Boris. And that is how I distinguish between them.

Over hopped is fine on some days, cask conditioned is a necessity on others. A bit like choosing red or white wine! Smile

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