To be surprised by this ...

[corbyncatpigeons]

In another thread something surprising ‘popped up’ but has been lost in the rest of the discussion.

Jane is the head teacher of a local small school she loves her job and works many hours in and out of school. She earns 56k, of this she pays tax & NI of 16.2k resulting in a net income of 39.8k

In the school there is a really great teaching assistant … he used to be head master of another small school but took a decision to work less and now works 16 hours and is pretty disciplined at sticking to that. He earns 5.6k per year, pays no tax and receives 34.2k in benefits resulting in a net income of 39.8k

Both are single parents with three kids, they both live in three bedroom private rented houses in Chelmsford, council tax is in band D, they both pay 240 per week for childcare.

Credit to twinkle for the idea.

It's total bull. Not buying it.

Is that you, Sam?

www.entitledto.co.uk/

But it seems way too high. I've just done each of the calculations from scratch without relying on that internet shortcut.

Tax credits 11,100
Council tax support 650
Housing benefit 8,950
Child benefit 2501
Earnings 5649
Total 28850 of which 23k is benefits.

Maybe that's OK ?

Are these folks you're discussing characters in a Tory voter's fever dream?

It's IDS's Fake It Till You Make It website.

I knew they were high based on 16 hours as that why so many work the minimum number to qualify but didn't realise it was that much.

No wonder many just don't bother. The cap doenst apply to WTC either so it's not limited to £26k. No wonder the cap had to be bought in for other areas.

Where's the incentive to work hard and be proud of providing for ones family when you can do the bare minimum and have a lifestyle many working long hours don't enjoy and then have to watch their taxes pay for those people.

Does anyone else think there's some really right wing nutters popping up on Mumsnet to push the anti benefits agenda?

Cos this is totally bollocksy cock shite

It's bollocks and you do realise that not everything found on-line is true right?.

If this was true - why would there be so many threads on here about people not having enough to live on (often while working with disabled DC) when you could use this magic calculator that will have you raking in over £30,000 in benefits?.

Everyone would jump on that gravy train wouldn't they?. Why would there be food banks?. Honestly OP, use some thought and just question how likely you think it is.

I also don't understand why it would be any of your business even if this fairytale was true. I am bewildered why people see fit to give enough of a shit about other people's lives to be Googling nonsense.

What a crock of shit OP and thread.

If this an influx of Tory SPADs, they're a bit shit.

Just makes the Tories look like the lying wankers that they are.

Have any of the right wing twats posting this bilge actually tried to claim benefits?
My 38 year old bil had a massive stroke and brain haemorrhage in March.
He has applied for pip and wtc as my sister has gone back to work for 20 hours a week to fit in with school hours.(bil can look after the DC but cannot deal with school/Dr etc has he has communication difficulties now)
Been denied both.
"Luckily" he is also type 2 diabetic so his many many meds are free or otherwise he wouldn't be able to afford his (lifesaving) medication.

and THANK GOD for the NHS who saved his life.

I haven't mentioned anyone disabled or with disabled children.

I browse here often. I registered because I keep hearing 'should high earners pay more tax' and wanted to present some facts to help the debate.

Many people aren't able to work more and they receive benefits, that seems like a good use for tax in a compassionate society.

It is possible to choose to work less and receive more benefits, if it is possible then it will happen. I'm wondering if this is a good use of tax ?

The information isn't nonsense, it might be surprising, maybe difficult to believe ... but that doesn't make it nonsense.

And of course as people earn more, they DO pay more tax.

If you earn 8k you will pay no tax
If you earn 16k you will pay 2k tax
If you earn 32k you will pay 7k tax
If you earn 64k you will pay 20k tax
If you earn 128k you will pay 51k tax
If you earn 256k you will pay 110k tax

Actually it is true. As i said on previous thread, friend with two small children, 16 hrs a week nmw job, housig benefit, ctc, tax credits etc add up to £2400 take home oay a mobth. Same as a top of payscale teacher. Thats a real person.

Why do people keep saying the low paid pay less tax?

Is that because it suits their agenda to only focus on income tax?

Because the reality is that low waged individuals pay a greater proportion of tax over all

It only takes minutes to look that fact up on the Internet

I also know someone who works 16hrs, has shitloads of benefits and exh who pays £2k a month maintainance. Marry well, divorce better.

Calleigh is your friend single? Do those benefits take into account the income of a partner?

Anecdotes do not = data.

Yes, my friend too. Has worked 16 hours a week (despite being fit/healthy/offered full-time) as she gets her housing benefit/council tax/tax credits, plus free vet care, dentist/optician etc. She's 'too busy' to work full-time. Real person, educated, capable of full-time but doesn't because she has worked out how to use the system for maximum benefit.

Sorry, missed out 'has worked 16 hours/week for last 20 years'.

Jeffsan I have thought for a while that there is evidence of coordinated trolling by right wing groups on MN eg repeated linking to some (very) far right news sites on refugee threads.

I really think that MN should limit opening threads on AIBU to posters with at least a short posting history on MN - would stop the journos who post here rather than doing proper research, too.

So before tax credits were introduced then Keeptrudging?