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To stand up for myself?

35 replies

Thistledew · 01/10/2015 22:14

This may be a bit long, but bear with me.

As a bit of background, I am a pretty easy going person who gets along well with most people and am slow to get upset and fall out with people. As a teenager I was verbally bullied quite badly - I always thought of a smart come-back to put the bullies down, but could never bring myself to say them. I would rather let things lie for the sake of good relations and to stop arguments escalating, but I think this often leads to me failing to stand up for myself, so hence asking for this advice.

A situation has arisen today at work in relation to a committee that I am on, and I find myself in the midst of an argument with a woman, who I shall refer to as T. T was head of this committee but has just handed the reins to G.

Today T asked that we hold a meeting to discuss an issue to do with promotion (we don't have an HR department and promotion is part of our committee's remit).

There is a complicated situation with regards to one of the applicants for promotion, who I will call S. If S is promoted into role A then we would make informal supervision a requirement of her taking the role and all her work would be subject to supervision. If she is promoted into role B, then she would be within her rights to refuse supervision for her main role but we could make her ability to undertake certain extended tasks subject to her accepting supervision for that work.

In the role that S is performing at the moment, there is a requirement for formal supervision, which has to be registered with our professional conduct body.

I said that our organisation would not need to make a decision right now as to what form the supervision would take as this could be decided once we know whether S will get role A or role B.

In an email exchange that was initially sent out to the whole committee, T said that this was not good enough as we would have to complete certain registration forms at the point of S being promoted. A decision on supervision (and specifically a named supervisor) therefore needed to be made in advance of the decision on promotion.

I then spent some time researching our professional code of conduct, and confirmed that there was no need to register an informal supervisor, so no forms needed to be completed. As things had seemed to be a bit muddled by this point, I set out the situation as clearly as possible and quoted the relevant provisions of the code of conduct. This email went to the whole team and was intended to clarify the situation for us all.

T was not happy about this. She emailed me privately to say that I had been patronising and that she knew what the code of conduct said. She said that I had not properly read her emails and that she had correctly set out the position to the team already. I checked my emails and replied to her, including a direct quote from her email where she had wrongly set out the position regarding the registration of supervision. I tried to keep the tone light and friendly, and apologised if I had been patronising. She then replied, and said that I had missed a further email in which she had clarified her comment, and that she had not got the position wrong. I emailed back quoting from her second clarification email to show that she still had the position wrong in that one. Again, I tried to set a friendly tone of 'it's not clear, we all needed clarification'.

I then did not hear back from her for several hours.

She has just emailed me again saying "It really isn't confusing but glad you have found clarification. I am never not cool with anyone but will tell you as it is. I will call you out on unacceptable behaviour. Your email response was patronising and rude but thanks for the apology".

This is not the first time that I have seen her over react to some sort of public correction. My question is whether I should pull her up on this, and point out that I was not being patronising as she was mistaken, and I corrected her? Or should I let it lie? Personally, I think that her behaviour was rude and unacceptable, but I'm not going to let it bother me.

What would you do?

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bessarabiantiger · 01/10/2015 22:18

I have no idea what I've just read. I've tried three times.

There is every chance it's just me though.

Prettyeyedpiratesmile · 01/10/2015 22:21

You need to stand up for yourself on this one. I'd stop with the nicey nice emails thistle and be direct with her. Your emails set out the relevant points and we're all correct. Tell her At no point was your behaviour unacceptable and that you would
Like her to stop sending threatening emails as it's highly unprofessional. Please stand up for yourself

Prettyeyedpiratesmile · 01/10/2015 22:22

bessara I was the same....I think I got it in the end but not sure Grin

bessarabiantiger · 01/10/2015 22:22

It's the worst algebra problem ever:

G&TT both have a sandwich. Their supervisor has no sandwich. A & B are on the sandwich committee.

If G=B then who punched the badger?

I can't stop laughing. I'm so sorry.

Thistledew · 01/10/2015 22:30

tiger - that made me laugh Grin

Sorry, maybe too much detail in that post.

tl:dr

Email exchange with colleague on a committee. She was wrong about a matter of procedure. I corrected her. She stated that she had been right all along and accused me of being patronising and of unacceptable behaviour. Should I pull her up on it?

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bessarabiantiger · 01/10/2015 22:32

Set badgers loose in her office. It's the only sane solution.

ceeveebee · 01/10/2015 22:35

I think that T is finding it difficult to drop the Chair role, and perhaps felt embarrassed by you correcting her by group email.

Personally I prefer to deal with issues with real conversations not email. Or if you feel the need to put in writing, then just send to T, not copying the whole team.

bessarabiantiger · 01/10/2015 22:40

When ceevee says "deal with issues in real time" what they mean is "I deploy trained attack badgers".

Trust me, anyone who says badgers aren't the answer is just trying to divert your attention.

ceeveebee · 01/10/2015 22:41

Yes that's exactly what I meant Grin

RJnomaaaaaargh · 01/10/2015 22:43

This is one where you will never win.

You know you're right, she knows you're right, move on.

And stick the emails in a folder for later.

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 01/10/2015 22:43

She isn't even head of the committee anymore, G is now!

I'd want to Fwd it to G as head of committee saying something like 'I had to confirm this as it's so confusing, technically we have to do xyz' and accidentally include all the shitty stuff from T T for Twat
I wouldn't reply to T as she's obviously got a bee in her bonnet about it now, next time it's referred to I'd just smile smugly and knowingly refer to your clarified position.
How annoying.

Thistledew · 01/10/2015 22:49

T and I do have some history over this committee. Before G was appointed as head of the committee, I was standing in as temporary head, as T changed roles so had to step aside a few months ago.

She refused to do a full handover of the role to me, saying that it was not necessary as I would only be care-taking for a a few months. Of course, when the inevitable happened and I was asked a question by someone in our organisation for which I had not been given the relevant information, I had to make it public that she had refused to give me a handover.

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bessarabiantiger · 01/10/2015 22:52

T has a Bee? And ceevee is forwarding it to G (via homing badger)?

So if I'm reading this correctly (which I'm not, but I am NOT tired and I WILL NOT go to bed) then the Beegees have a G&T but technically we have to do xyz?

bessarabiantiger · 01/10/2015 22:53

You can just ignore me & carry on being grown-ups. I'm having a lovely time here.

Smile
DoreenLethal · 01/10/2015 22:56

I would probably twat her with the badger by saying ' i am meeting G to go through this soon so no worries'.

bessarabiantiger · 01/10/2015 22:59

See? doreen knows that there is no dignified non-badger related way out of this.

What do we do about the Beegees though?
[Thinks]

Thistledew · 01/10/2015 22:59

God, why do I always post such long posts? I obviously have a need to justify myself all the flipping time Hmm.

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VodkaJelly · 01/10/2015 23:00

I would email back saying that you are glad things have been clarified and that any ill feeling or confusion was not intentional and then say that her apology has been accepted also.

It will drive her nuts as she hasn't apologised and can't exactly email back saying there was no apology. She will be re reading her emails to see where you could have got the apology from.

DoJo · 01/10/2015 23:02

I would be inclined to reply to her and say that if she still feels that her original emails were correct, then there's clearly a communication problem as you were under the impression, both times, that she had misunderstood the matter. You were not trying to be patronising, but you do have to ensure that professional standards are maintained and if that comes at the cost of her feeling you were rude then so be it. You do not wish to upset her, but your sole interest is in doing your job to the best of your abilities and you hope that she will be able to maintain a professional working relationship with you going forward.

Something like that - I would be inclined to reply just to make the point that it is not her place to 'call you out' when she's the one in the wrong. She may have been embarrassed but the appropriate thing to do is to accept that, not try and deflect it onto someone else.

Prettyeyedpiratesmile · 01/10/2015 23:05

bessara you know how to have a good time Grin badgers, Beegees and g&t Grin

AlpacaPicnic · 01/10/2015 23:06

Her behaviour was rude. However... Her attitude is unlikely to change even if you do 'win' the email chain argument because she won't want to admit she was ever wrong and that you were right.

I think in this occasion, I would just be happy that the correct information was in the hands of the people who need to know it. Getting into an arguement will achieve nothing, so be the bigger person. If she starts anything, she will be the one who looks petty, especially if you refuse to engage.
But fgs, keep those emails. In a special folder. Marked T is for twat possibly not this

JapaneseSlipper · 01/10/2015 23:07

Tough one. Based on the backstory, she messed up in the first place. I have however been publicly corrected by a colleague more than once and it really pissed me off. This is your Strike Two as far as she's concerned. A discussion would have been better.

Will you have to deal with this person much going forward?

JapaneseSlipper · 01/10/2015 23:08

Basically I agree with both DoJo and Alpaca which is probably not helpful

AlpacaPicnic · 01/10/2015 23:08

Oooh, I like vodkas 'accepting non existent apology' - do that! Publicly...

Cloppysow · 01/10/2015 23:13

Badger her incessantly. Incessant badgering is the only way to resolve this. Perhaps in a Beegees voice?