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Demanding a loan is repaid

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Oysterbabe · 28/09/2015 17:43

At the end of June I received an email from my closest friend asking if I would lend her £1,500.00, which was the shortfall she needed to buy a house. She said that she’s currently paying £750.00 rent and her new mortgage payments would be £420.00, she’s also recently got a new higher paid job and she would be able to pay me back by the end of August. I have lent her £1000.00 in the past to buy a car when hers blew up and she paid back in instalments when she could and there was no problem.

I’m far from well off but I do have a little bit of money in savings that I am able to lend then put back into savings when paid off, so I was willing to help her out. I transferred the money to her straight away.

About a month later DH suggests that we should buy a bigger house. We have a baby on the way and whilst we had planned to stay where we are for a couple of years after considering everything we decided to buy somewhere now. I knew that paying my half of the stamp duty, solicitors fees etc was going to be tight, especially as I’m £1500.00 down but I should just about manage it.

End of August arrives and my friend emails me to say that her brother, who was also supposed to be lending her some money towards the house purchase, has let her down and she’s now £1000.00 short. She had already exchanged contracts but she was unable to complete. Basically if she couldn’t come up with the funds pretty much immediately the house would go back on the market, she’d have to pay all the solicitors costs and would be absolutely stuffed financially. She went to her bank to arrange an overdraft and was waiting for confirmation that it had gone through.

I discussed lending her another 1k with DH and whilst he wouldn’t tell me not to, it being my money after all, he was obviously not keen. However on a selfish note, if I didn’t and it all fell through who knows when she would be able to pay back the initial loan, she’d be in a real mess financially. I sent her an email to say that I wouldn’t see her lose the house and her money for the sake of a grand but at the same time my own finances were going to be pretty tight with our own house purchase and then me going onto maternity pay in the not too distant future. I said I’d lend her another 1k if she had no other options but we’d need to work out a repayment schedule. She said that if the overdraft didn’t come through in time she’d let me know and would be able to transfer the money straight back once it did or she’d set up a direct debit if for some reason she didn’t get it. Next day I get a message from her saying the overdraft still wasn’t showing on her account so I transferred the money and she completed her house purchase.

Nothing was ever mentioned again about this supposed overdraft and no money was transferred back. A couple of weeks later she sent me a message saying they were absolutely skint because of some unexpected moving expenses and could she start paying me back next month. I was a bit Hmm considering I had told her about my own finances being tight but said ok.

In the meantime DH and I have had an offer accepted on a house, the purchase is proceeding apace and we anticipate completion within a couple of months.

I’ve had a message from my friend today talking about a couple of big bills they have to pay relating to her old house, they’ve just had the final energy bills which were more than expected and they also have a big bill for storage costs for when they were between houses. She hasn’t said anything yet but I’m just waiting for her to ask for another month before she starts the repayments, I just feel like she’s building up to it.

Would IBU to say no? By a month ago she said she would repay the £1500. In fact she has repaid nothing and borrowed a further £1000. If I don’t get about a £1000 back in the next couple of months I will be short on my half of the fees. DH will be able to make up the difference but he will be pretty annoyed about it. The vast, vast majority of our house purchase has come from the equity from his property he owned when we met so I think that paying half the fees is really the least I can do. However she is a very good friend and I would feel bad about making her find me some money somehow, putting her under a lot of pressure and stress, just so my DH isn’t angry with me. At the same time I do think she is taking the piss a little bit in that she hasn’t ever said anything about what happened with the overdraft or that she was supposed to have paid me back in full by now or acknowledged the fact that the last 1k was supposed to be a very short term loan.

This whole thing is really tainting our friendship.

OP posts:
JaceLancs · 28/09/2015 23:00

I have twice ended friendships over similar situations - thankfully not as large amount of money but the principle counted,
The only people I will now lend money to are, my adult children, my parents and DP

Jux · 28/09/2015 23:09

I think 'eventually' can be a very long time. I would ask for the 1000 now, by next week at the latest, and the rest in 3x500 installments, starting next month.

Jux · 28/09/2015 23:10

Never lend money you can't afford to lose.

Justaboy · 29/09/2015 23:52

Oysterbabe. Been round with the Wilkinson's as yet;?.

KatFleas · 30/09/2015 03:54

I dont think she is purposely doing it but she should AT LEAST pay you back something even £100 a month.

I borrowed money off a friend. He lent me £300 to get a car, agreed a will pay it back in installments.
I had £300 to my name and just got sacked. I needed this money to go to court which he knew.
I had an argument with him (not about the money) and he said im started arguments so i dont have to pay back the money, He then harassed me through several texts and calls saying "give me my money" for the next couple of hours even though i said i will pay it back tomorrow he wouldnt leave me alone.
bare in mind it was 10pm at night so what bank did he expect me to go to, i told him i had it in cash.
eventually he texted me along the lines of if i dont have his money than watch.
Next day i took that 300 and paid it into his bank. Left me broke, couldnt go to court so also lost out on that.

This was last year, he texted me recently saying why are we not talking.
I have NOTHING to say to him after what he did. I actually find it funny he thinks he can behave that way and wait a year and im going to be ok with him.
Knew him 10yrs, fell out over money and his behavior because he showed his true colours then.

Never lend or borrow.

greenfolder · 30/09/2015 06:28

You need to tell her that you need something this month as a token then a regular amount. Are you certain that the brother didn't cime through with the full amount? And she didn't get the overdraft? Need to be very clear with her about when and how it gets repaid, even if it's less per month and takes longer than you hoped.

Oysterbabe · 30/09/2015 07:22

I don't know whether to bring it up now or wait until she gets paid to see if she asks for another extension?

BTW the reason most communication is done by email is just because we've always emailed each other throughout the day while we're at work. It's just how we talk most of the time.

OP posts:
ToGoBoldly · 30/09/2015 07:48

Bite the bullet and ask now, so she can't spend her wages on something else before you get to her. Make it clear you expect repayment to be top of her list of priorities, be assertive.

I think email is fine in this case, at least it gives you proof of who said what and when.

LIZS · 30/09/2015 07:57

Ask now , before she commits this month's pay elsewhere

Justaboy · 30/09/2015 08:03

Oysterbabe This to my mind is begging a question. In your normal life are you a bit too easy going, a bit of a pushover do you find others taking advantage of you?. Are you a soft touch?.

This screams to me you are!.

Now STOP pussyfooting around and GO AND SEE HER.

As the bank of Oyster your lending department should have done a credit check.

Your customer has defaulted on a loan.

You credit ENFORCEMENT dept has to now swing into action.

One more question?. Can you lend me me a grand to the end of next month please?.

No lets re-phrase that.

GIVE me a grand please as I know your so bloody soft your daft enough to let me just keep it.

NOW GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND GO AND SEE HER AND LAW DOWN THE LAW AND MAKE A START OF GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK!!

That sound a bit harsh? well does it?.

Now who here is being a friend me for saying that to you or her for taking your hard earnt?.

HellKitty · 30/09/2015 08:14

Bring it up now rather than waiting for her to be paid. That way she can set up a standing order for when her pay goes through.

I doubt you're going to get the full amount back in one go as she seems a bit crap with budgeting but suggest £300-400 a month. Make sure it's a standing order so it's on the same day every month and she can't 'miss' a payment here and there. The other thing about getting her to set it up now is that Christmas is around the core and no doubt she'll have some unexpected bills then..

LieselVonTwat · 30/09/2015 08:30

It's good that you at least have a paper trail for the £1500 if nothing else. In situations like this people often struggle to prove it was actually a loan rather than a gift.

carabos · 30/09/2015 08:40

She will keep making excuses until the conversation just tails away. You need to ask her if you can use the form you signed to get your money back from her lender - you can't, but saying that will put the frighteners on her and may result in a token repayment at least towards the £1500. I think you've lost the £1000.

Penfold007 · 30/09/2015 08:48

OP seriously grow a backbone. You've given this woman £2500 that you need back. Stop delaying and giving her the opportunity to avoid repayment.
You've given this woman a significant sum of your family saving a, your DH must be disappointed and a little annoyed.

mom2twoteens · 30/09/2015 09:21

She 'emailed' you in the beginning to ask for £1,500 ! ? !

She didn't even have enough respect for you to speak with you about it. If she couldn't get the money together for the house, how did you think she was going to find the money a short while later?

M friends and I would never ask each other for money, certainly not to buy a house. If you can't get the proper loans (and be able to repay them) then you don't buy it. (Before I get jumped on, I know circumstances change and sometimes you end up in a bad place. I've been there.)

I hope you get your money back, I really do. Keep at her. Don't let it go. I think you may need to accept the friendship will be over however this works out, because she hasn't treated you well. She may also be thinking you haven't treated her well. (Did you have a repay by date when you loaned her the money.) You loaned her the money and then a short time later you want it back.

Good Luck with your new house. I hope it all works out for you.

MoonSandwich · 30/09/2015 09:56

You need the ask her as soon as possible so that she can plan to pay it back. It would be really silly to wait until after payday.
I don't understand why you are so nervous especially as it sound like you can email her to let her know that you want to make arrangements for her to repay you.
There is no need for you to be rude or aggressive about it but there is a need for you to be clear and definite about you wishes.
In addition to asking for xxx amount of money back by xxxx date I would also tell her that you want to formalise the loan by putting it in writing -( I can't remember the proper term )
I think you should send her an email immediately.

MoonSandwich · 30/09/2015 09:59

If, as you suggested earlier, if you want her to set up a standing order then she can do this before payday and she can specify payday as the day the money gets transferred.

Scobberlotcher · 30/09/2015 10:14

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Justaboy · 11/10/2015 13:27

Oysterbabe well have you got any further to getting your money back as yet?.

Grazia1984 · 11/10/2015 14:28

I think you chould find her a 10 hour a day Saturday and Sunday job and have the wage paid to you every single weekend until she's paid you back. Might be tough for her but plenty of us work weekends and in the week to pay our debts so no reason she shouldn't. Some people are just takers in life.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 11/10/2015 14:31

Not the op's responsibility to find her a job though. I think that's absolving her of some of the responsibility.

suzannecaravaggio · 11/10/2015 15:19

your 'friend' sounds like a con artist and you've fallen victim to her scam.

This:

'my friend emails me to say that her brother, who was also supposed to be lending her some money towards the house purchase, has let her down and she’s now £1000.00 short. She had already exchanged contracts but she was unable to complete. Basically if she couldn’t come up with the funds pretty much immediately the house would go back on the market, she’d have to pay all the solicitors costs and would be absolutely stuffed financially'

sounds like a pre arranged script, she's used the initial sum of money you handed over to leverage more out of you

suzannecaravaggio · 11/10/2015 15:23

she got you hooked, it's in your interests to help her and make sure she doesn't fall on hard times because that's the only hope you've got of getting your money back

you've been played, she owns you now

suzannecaravaggio · 11/10/2015 15:38

For example for the initial £1500 I had to sign a form for her mortgage company confirming that I loaned her the money but had no legal interest in the house
as far as I can see that declaration may protect the mortgage company and her but it doesn't protect you in any way, possibly quite the opposite since you may have been able to argue that the loan was secured against the house

suspect you don't have a leg to stand on, guess you could sue her but how much is that gonna cost you?
and if she doesnt have any...well you cant get blood out of a stone

Grazia1984 · 11/10/2015 15:41

If she has more equity in the house than the mortgage is though you would get your money if you sued her and ultimately she'd have to sell the house.

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