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Which shop do you think sells genuine sizes?

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spad · 25/09/2015 22:52

Having been a lot bit overweight for a really long time while I want to get motivated. I plan to choose an outfit to work towards wearing as a way of keeping me motivated. Which shop sells sizes that are genuine sizes? I know that M and S has a reputation for being too generous. I have no idea about NEXT anymore. Can anyone help? I had thought Monsoon but don't really know.

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Gabilan · 27/09/2015 16:32

"But where are they getting the ''average size'' for their demographic? Where are they starting, IYSWIM?"

There was a survey of women's sizes undertaken in 1951. This article says the average size then was 12 and it's since gone up to 16. I think it would be more accurate to say that that was probably the stage at which average measurements were taken to be a size 12.

Then all retailers have to do is adjust their sizing. They'll assume 12 is the average. If then they start to see a change in sales so that size 14 is the mid point, they will essentially label the 14s as 12s and adjust their measuring scales accordingly.

riverboat1 · 27/09/2015 21:48

Lurked - where I live I can't cheaply get things taken up. V expensive European capital city. Maybe I should learn how to do it myself...

I understand it must be frustrating shopping as a v. tall person. But don't understand how Zara standard sizes are actually taller than tall sizes in most shops
And the irony is in most shops I opt for tall sizes.

Do you find generally Zara comes up tall in everything? I don't shop there that much, but the few times I've been in and tried on trousers they have always been unfeasibly long. Don't know if I've just been unlucky (or lucky, for you!)

storynanny · 27/09/2015 21:54

Yes to vintage sizes! In the early seventies when I was a teenager I was a size 14, due to my large (!) 26"waist. Size ten was a 22"waist.
I now wear a size 10 or 12 and my waist is now 29". A size 12 skirt I recently bought from M and S had a 32" waist.
Wallis seem to come up big, as do Next.
BHS seem to be quite consistent.
I do not find it all easy any more buying online.

RoganJosh · 27/09/2015 22:03

I agree about about Wallis, I find I am a 10 or small in tops from there, compared to a 12 from anywhere else (although a L in Zara).

Lurkedforever1 · 27/09/2015 22:30

river I'd say Zara doesn't come up as short as lots of other places in some ranges, rather than saying they come up long. I'm 6' so tbh very little comes up to what I describe as tall fitting!

WorktoLive · 28/09/2015 07:36

I know that a size 12 for example can be a different size and shape in different shops, but I think it gets even worse in that Next or M&S for example say that their size 12 waists are to fit a 32 inch was, but actually the waist in the clothes is more like 34 or 36 inches, so even more massive.

Interesting from Gablians link that waists have increased by much more than hips and busts since the 1950s and that clothes manufacturers are cutting accordingly. This explains why nothing fits my 37/29/39 figure. My body is stuck in the 1950s Grin.

In modern sizing, I have something like a size 12 top, size 10 waist and size 14 hips, and something like size 8 shoulders in M&S, whose dresses appear to be cut to fit massively over the shoulders Hmm.

The reason why Zara trousers are very long apparently is that, while Spanish women are on average shorter than say northern Europeans, they like to wear very high heels with their trousers going down over them, hence the above average length.

But I do think trousers have got longer in general over the years, and that women have got noticeably taller. I'm 5'7'' and as a teenager/early 20s, rarely saw women taller than me, it was something that I really noticed.

And trousers we almost always too short, or just long enough to fit my 32 inch inside leg even in the long leg length size.

But now, 20 odd years later, I often see women quite a bit taller than me and even regular length trousers are often 32/33 inch long, with long being 34 or 36 and actually too long.

This thread may also explain why, on average, women spend longer than men clothes shopping. It's not that we purposely set out to do so, it just takes us longer to find things that fit Sad.

I can't imagine the average man going into a shop and thinking 'I wonder which version of inches they use in here'? Could I be a 32/34/36 inch waist? No, they just pick up the 34s and they will fit.

TENDTOprocrastinate · 28/09/2015 07:47

My theory is that the sizes change with shops target market.
Shops for teenagers seem to come up smaller, shops for older clients come up larger. They do this so that we don't feel like we've got bigger when we use their shops- so that we can kid ourselves that we've bedn the same size since we were 21! That feel good factor is important when you're buying clothes!
I think designer clothes are often more honest- size wise.

GladysTheGolem · 28/09/2015 08:00

Work, DH has to try on everything, trousers aren't made for men with thighs. And, like most men, he'd look a twat in skinny jeans! Can't wait for that trend to be over.

I'm cut like you, and just give up. I hate clothes shopping.

Interesting about the 12 as an average! I've never been able to fit under a 12 in H&M, but I'm in 8 & 10 everywhere else.

chrome100 · 28/09/2015 09:05

I think H&M is fairly accurate. I am a size 6 in M&S - this is not true!!

PeanutButterFiend · 28/09/2015 09:15

New Look and Top Shop sizes seem to be designed to fit a starving child Hmm H&M may be cheap and cheerful....but almost everything is see through! Primark can never be trusted - I bought two vests from the same shelf in 10-12, got them home and yes, one of them was what I would consider a 10-12, the other was more like and 18-20 with a 10-12 label in it! I think M&S clothes fit quite nicely, and George at Asda!!

SellFridges · 28/09/2015 09:17

I think supplier has a lot to do with it. Hence why you get such a range in the large range of stock/fast fashion places like Primark, H&M and the supermarkets. And why different colours of the same pair of jeans fit so differently.

I find Oasis and Warehouse reliable. I know I can pick up a 14 in there and it'll fit. They seem to be cut to the right shape for my body.

I bought my first Boden top a few weeks ago. It's bloody HUGE in a 14.

PrimalLass · 28/09/2015 09:19

I don't think M&S is that oversized, but that may be because they seem to be cut for smaller waists than mine (I don't have one).

GladysTheGolem · 28/09/2015 09:30

Oh poo chrome Sad
I'm 35-25-36 and an 8 in M&S so think that's generous.

Boden are big but tight on boobs.

Lurkedforever1 · 28/09/2015 09:34

I find new look on the generous side compared to top shop. I do like top shops fit though because they are cut more for a straight up and down figure, so what fits on my waist doesn't result in tons of spare material around the hips. And their tall range hasn't been removed or reduced in shops to carry a wide range of plus size like in many. New look being one of them.

Can't say I am a starving child though, or dd either for that matter. God forbid there be a shop you can buy small sizes that are reasonably close to small though, it's a bit selfish of us smaller people to want to shop anywhere at all, given that the vast majority of shops stock clothes for average and larger people.
George clothes are really generous in my opinion. Even their teen to early 20's range that does have some smaller sizes isn't much use as you need a size down, thus defeating the point.

BrandNewAndImproved · 28/09/2015 09:37

No new look is generous, I'm a ten in newlook and a 12 in topshop.

Theycallmemellowjello · 28/09/2015 09:55

A rule of thumb is that the more expensive the clothing store, the smaller the sizing.

Sapele · 28/09/2015 10:20

I always found Hobbs sizing to be enormous so that doesn't always work Smile

I haven't RTFT but I think sizing is on a spectrum and they kind of average out; there isn't any shop that is dead on. They are all either side of a central point which itself varies.

SellFridges · 28/09/2015 10:26

Interesting that you think Boden are tight on boobs. I'm a 34G and the top is gaping at the boob. Weird.

cantbelievemyeyes · 28/09/2015 10:41

I find some huge differences in sizing across and within retailers. Not sure if it's exaggerated as I'm very overweight so buy from specialist plus sized as well as a few main retailers.

I am 5'3" and would describe myself as fairly hourglass shaped.

New Look, M&S, Debenhams, Asda, Matalan- 22
ASOS curve- 20 or 22
Evans- 20-24 (but most off their stuff is so shapeless its harf to tell what fits)
Yours clothing- 18 or 20
Monsoon, Next- can't seem to find anything to fit!

All this can vary depending on the style, fabric etc and I don't wear trousers or jeans at all- just dresses and skirts with leggings/ tights etc. It's a pain in the arse at any size!

wol1968 · 28/09/2015 11:35

If you want old-fashioned 1950's sizing, try this link and scroll down to the Misses sizes. www.jaycotts.co.uk/pages/sizes_simplicity-new-look Size 8 is a 24-inch waist, which not even my slim, smallish 13-year old DD can fit into. I found I was a 16-18 on those when I wear a 12 from most shops. Shock (Although I do find I sometimes go down on the size and make alterations, depending on the cut of the garment - fit is a complicated business in dressmaking).

Runningupthathill82 · 28/09/2015 13:24

I think Topshop are about the only high street sizes that are vaguely reliable. Warehouse isn't far off.

I'm usually a 10 in Warehouse, Topshop, River Island and Oasis. An 8 in M&S, 6 or 8 in Gap (which are the worst offenders I've found for vanity sizing).

Dorothy Perkins come up large, Zara is all over the place. I have a L jacket from there, whereas I'm usually a small.

Joules, White Stuff, Fat Face etc - they're bizarrely huge too. I was bought a size 10 top from fat face and it's so big that I now fit in it at 6 months pg, whereas the rest of my 10s haven't fitted in weeks.

And I'm certainly not a "starving child" either... 28" waist, 30F boobs (when not pg, that is. I'm HUGE at the moment and can't fit in a thing).

Vanity sizing has got ridiculous IMO. My MIL lent me a vintage size 12 dress and it wouldn't even go on - couldn't get it past my thighs. Whereas I'm allegedly a size smaller than that Hmm

It doesn't help people either. I was fat for a while and it took me ages to accept it, because I was still a size 12 (and a 10 in some places!) Vanity sizes make it much easier for people - including me - to ignore what the scales say, and kid themselves they're not overweight. No wonder obesity is on the rise.

MrsKoala · 28/09/2015 13:25

Topseyt - no it isn't a marketing thing it is because it is how retailers work out their average. It might be a positive side effect for them tho.

Tend - it's because older people have more money to spend and are fatter than teens and therefore the average is bigger.

I mean how do they find out how big the average woman is who has a disposable income of x, y or z and is likely to wear the clothes they're selling?

It's much simpler than that, if they start selling more 14s then that becomes the 12 and everything moves up a size.

I find cheap/teen shops cut smaller, high end high street (hobbs, Reiss, Jigsaw etc) 'roomy', and designer clothes bloody tiny (have you seen how skinny rich women are!!!?).

HellKitty · 28/09/2015 13:33

Zara is ridiculous. Their jeans fit me great but I can't manage to get one of my hooters in their tops. I'm a D cup but if I do squash myself into a top I look like a ship in full sail or a imposing matron in a Carry On film.

Lurkedforever1 · 28/09/2015 13:45

Even top shop has gone up the vanity sizing route. I've got stuff from there from 20 years ago that is significantly smaller than the same item today.

WorktoLive · 28/09/2015 13:50

I don't really get much in Zara because in my experience, it is expensive and poor quality and I'm not into 'fast fashion'. However, I have had quite a few tops from Mango and they have seemed quite generously sized, which seems odd as I thought they would be aimed at the same market.

This thread has quite an interesting discussion on Zara sizing - I particularly liked the mention of the label on a garment that said Europe - L, UK - M, US - S.

If you google about Zara's introduction into the US, there is a lot of discussion about how teeny their sizes are.

I'm always quite surprised with Uniqlo. I would assume that the sizing in a Japanese brand would also be on the small size, but I am usually a comfortable medium there (as a tall size 12/14). I assume that their UK sizing must be different to that in Japan.

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