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to think the new response to Ahmed, the kid from Texas with the clock in his bag, is as stupid as the first one

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oldshilling · 20/09/2015 22:13

So basically Ahmed, a 14 year old boy from Texas, brought a device to school which resembles a bomb out of a movie. But it was actually a 1980s mains-powered clock, which he had transplanted into a small suitcase. blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

It went off in his English lesson, and the police were called, on the basis that he had a suspicious-looking device.

When this was reported, there was outrage, and he has been showered with hundreds of thousands of dollars in gifts, scholarships, invitations to the White House, and so on. twitter.com/POTUS/status/644193755814342656 microsoft-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/satya.jpg

The lessons that America has learned from this are not really clear.

Two kids have just been expelled from a competition for making a mild joke about this:

news.mlh.io/when-jokes-go-too-far-09-19-2015

And it turns out in the past that students have been given felony bomb hoax charges for putting alarm clocks in lockers, set to go off every two minutes. abc7.com/news/senior-prank-lands-2-students-in-jail-on-felony-charges/746904/

And in 2007, Boston went into panic as a result of LED displays which look rather less like bombs than Ahmed's clock did: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_Mooninite_panic

So AIBU to think that the final response to this saga is a lot of BS, given that in an environment where schools are shooting grounds, and bombs and other terrorist outrages are far from rare (there was an Islamist killing in May, not far from Ahmed's school), schools WILL continue to respond to suspicious looking devices as they did to Ahmed's clock, and it's a bit silly to say 'poor lad, just a misunderstanding, here have a pile of freebies and a massive cash settlement'. Ahmed's Dad is very media-savvy and Ahmed comes away very nicely, but this doesn't change the world we live in - schools, not just in the US, but in the UK also, are no longer places where you can 'mess around' in any number of manners, because activities that might previously have seen as 'hijinks', anything from messing around on school computers, to school pranks, to sending a photo of yourself to your boyfriend or girlfriend are now serious crimes. So for me the response is not 'poor Ahmed', but 'make sure your children don't things that could be result in arrests', such as off-colour posts on social media or bringing improvised electronics to school.

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ghostyslovesheep · 20/09/2015 22:17

erm yes yabu - they didn't call the bomb squad did they? or evacuate the school - so they pretty much knew it wasn't a serious threat - it was a major over reaction based pretty much on his skin colour

also sending a photo of yourself to your boyfriend or girlfriend are now serious crimes eh?

oldshilling · 20/09/2015 22:37

ghosty, kids have been charged for sending sexy pictures of themselves to their girlfriend/boyfriend.

They didn't necessarily need to call the bomb squad, if they thought the intention of the kid was to alarm then that's of itself a serious crime, even if there was no actual bomb, the same way as the two girls (neither Muslim) were CHARGED with making a bomb hoax for placing alarm clocks in lockers.

Ahmed as acknowledged that his device looks suspicious, and said that was why he put wires on the clasp (picture static4.techinsider.io/image/55f9b6e29dd7cc14008bad60-1280-960/fullsizerender.jpg ) though I'm not sure why that makes it look less suspicious.

It is definitely a dangerous device, just in electrical terms, as you can see there is an exposed transformer and mains cable there.

It was set to go off in the English class, and it's not really surprising that with such a device he was arrested.

Making an mains-powered clock objectively less useful isn't worthy of commendation from the President.

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ghostyslovesheep · 20/09/2015 22:41

well obviously those who where there and have apologised think differently

'kids sending sexy pics' yes dear - that's call 'making and distributing indecent images of children' it's part of child protection and it's there to protect children from blackmail and from having their pics added to porn sights and sent around school - things which I have encountered in my job

SlowlyGoingINSAINIA · 20/09/2015 22:41
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OldBloodCallsToOldBlood · 20/09/2015 22:48

Actually, ghostylovesheep, what the OP is referring to is a ridiculous case where the teenager who took images of himself as a 16 year old is now 17 and being tried as an adult for committing a crime in which he is also classed as the victim. Lots of well-known legal experts have condemned the case. There is something in the Guardian about it, if you have a look.

oldshilling · 20/09/2015 22:51

"well obviously those who where there and have apologised think differently"

uh, no they didn't

www.irvingisd.net/cms/lib010/TX01917973/Centricity/Domain/9/ParentLetter_SuspiciousLookingItematMacArthur.pdf - school not apologising
cityofirving.org/DocumentCenter/View/16607 - police also not apologising

"yes dear - that's call 'making and distributing indecent images of children' "

yes, and bringing a clock packed into a suitcase is called 'making a felony bomb hoax'

In the same way you need to teach your children not to send pictures of themselves on the internet/MMS, you also need to teach them not to bring suspicious looking devices to school

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