To think these parking spaces will cause a lot of trouble

[Notenoughhoursever]

Went shopping today and parked in a disabled bay. Noticed that all the bay's either side of us were both p+c and disabled bays (each one had the pictures in for both!)

AIBU to think this is going to cause problems? Obviously blue badge holders should have priority but my marking spaces as both people are surely going to argue over them as it's making them look equal when imo they are not ?

Majority of spaces were full and only disabled ones I saw were p+c/disabled ones do can't be certain of there were any dedicated disabled spaces

On first glance it doesn't sound good.

But looking at it the other way, if there are dedicated disabled spaces too (I know you said you couldn't say for sure if there were, but for arguments sake let's say there are) then aren't they just effectively saying that P and C spaces can also be used by blue badge holders?

One of our local car parks has a little square of Disabled spaces which after 4pm any one can use...It totalyl baffles me

Oldraver, it's cos we disabled folk aren't allowed out in the evenings. People might think we're having fun and query our entitlement to PIP. Obviously nobody with a disability works, so we can do our shopping at 10am, innit?

If they still have a few disabled-only spaces then I think letting p+c be used as extra blue badge spaces as well is a great idea.
I think that it is likely to add extra flexibility, so that in times of need blue badge holders after the first couple are still slightly more likely to get a priority space, but there are no going to be three spaces empty for 90% of the time if only a couple of blue badge users are generally around at once.

But don't they have different needs? I'm not sure sharing does anyone any favours.

What I want from a p&c space is a safe path to the store, and trolly parking close - preferably stocked with trollies with kids seats.

What a disables parking space generally needs is to be close to the store, with level access, and trolly park preferably stocked with appropriate trollies (high level, wheelchair adapted, or for larger children)

I'm happy to park a fair way back, if I have a path to put the kids on, and a straight run to the shops without crossing through a carpark except at proper crossings for instance, but that wouldn't work for someone with accessibility needs.

OUTRAGE!!!

We were in Ikea today and despite there being 60 odd joint spaces we couldn't get a disabled bay for dh who has severe mobility problems. Charming to watch all the parents of able bodied children strolling back to their cars.
I think it's just down to manners at the end of the day. I have 2 young Dc and don't park in joint spaces as my dc CAN walk and I would rather leave the space in case a disabled person needs it although it's a fair bet that it's used by lazy people who can't be bothered to walk an extra few yards.

The law does not say how many disabled parking spaces should exist. The guidance is 5% of the number of visitors, but having none is not necessarily illegal.

Oh wow.
It was bad enough when on public transport multi use spaces where introduced.
This is a recipe for disaster and a huge step back.
When it comes to disabled spaces it shouldn't be multi use first come first served. These spaces should be protected.

Because the spaces aren't protected you will have to go down the route that the multi space disadvantage disabled people from accessing their store. And that by changing the spaces reasonable adjustments have not been made.
Before writing read the BSI standards for loopholes.

Personally there needs to be more publicity around stores that are doing this.

Watch out for the hidden cameras waiting for the invisible disability to meet the string of children . . .

Someone in management needs a brain transplant but it would reject them.

I think it would be a good idea to turn p&c spaces into dual use spaces provided they still keep the existing bb spaces exclusively bb.

We all know that p&c spaces can and should be used by bb in the event there are no bb spaces available but it would be useful to have it signposted for the knob head minority who don't understand that.

However, I think there should be an agreement that bb users only use the dual use spaces if there are no bb spaces available as they can't be used the other way round. Or they could be marked as bb overflow.

I know this isn't the scenario the op described, it's just my musing.

It's OK if they have enough purely disabled spaces, not least because it will stop the idiots who whinge if disabled people go into p and c spaces. But what is objectionable is the assumption that parents with children are entitled to the nearest spaces to the store. They only need dedicated spaces with a bit more room to open the doors, they don't need to be near the store entrance.

They have the same near me, but they have dedicated blue badge spaces as well.

When I asked at the help desk the shop said that It was to prevent blue badge holders getting hassled by parents for parking in p+c spaces.

My point about p&c spaces isn't that I want them close to the store because my child can't walk, it's that I want a wider space so I can open my doors fully to get my child in and out of their car seat, and that there's enough room for her to stand there while I open the door. For me they could be furthest away from the store. They are a different thing entirely to disabled spaces, which wherever I go there seem to be loads of.

Even at the bullring when they're shared there are plenty.

I actually can't believe that anyone would have the audacity to hassle a disabled person who parks in a p&c space but I know it happens. Makes me so mad. Who are these entitled people?

Anyway, I think this should be done with all existing p&c spaces. Even if it's just a sign in the vicinity saying bb users welcome to park here or something.

I know that p&c spaces don't need to be near the front door, but they generally are so this would work beautifully.

Yes agree with some previous posters that of they're just spelling put that cars with blue badges can use the p and c spaces then that's fine.
I parked in my first ever p and c space the other day without children. I thought of mn.

Eminy I have been hassled, my dd told the woman to fuck right off, she was sat in her wheelchair whilst the woman abused my for parking there, she then told my dd that she was being entitled. We pissed ourselves!
(Dd was about sixteen at the time). I vaguely remember posting about it at the time.

How ridiculous!

Of course there should be dedicated spaces for disabled drivers. If it means no p and c then so be it. They are great and I use them but if it's a big car park, I just park far away where it's quiet then unload my DS there.

dawn
It's so sad that people like that exist in the world.

As pp said, if there is already the allocation of dedicated spaces for disabled people, and this is indicating that disabled people can park here too then I am ok with it.

Otherwise it's a shit idea

They used to have this at a local car park, was awful
I remember having to wait ages for a bay and then getting one when a couple and a tiny baby came back.

As someone up thread said, it makes it seem tht having a small child is on par with a disabilty, which is shite

It's only logical if they have disabled only spaces too, and they are just double marking the p&c spaces to stop the precious and cunty hassling bb holders that choose to use p&c spaces.

It would actually be better to keep lots of disabled spaces then either have all spaces nice and wide or mark some others as accessible spaces for those who need them for whatever reason.

A local car park has some that are just disabled spaces and some that are P&C/disabled. There aren't any that are just P&C, so it appears that the disabled/P&C are overflow for the dedicated disabled spaces. As long as there are sufficient number of dedicated disabled spaces, I don't see a problem with it.