to not see a problem with men using robots for sex

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Yes, its a bit sad and perverted, but I can't see how a glorified sex doll hurts anyone. I would be horrified if a sex doll looked like a child. However if a really sad sexually frustrated man masturbates with a sex doll that looks like a grown adult, no one is getting hurt.

I don't think it that robots will be sophisicated enough to replace a real spouse in my life time.

Also, isn't there quite some irony in this process:

Indeed.

B) Some women object to A)
C) Some men denounce women for B)

My observation is that saying "women" and "men" is just as sexist as other behaviours mentioned here. Why not "some people" ?

I'm still not sure how having sex with a robot is a policing of female sexuality.

Really? Pointing out that discussions of gender relations are gendered is as sexist as which behaviours mentioned on this thread?

Sleeping with robots is not policing women's sexuality - I suggested it contributed to narratives and practices which do in themselves police women's sexuality (the idea that women are receptacles for male sexual pleasure for example)

Surely selling robots for sex would only promote the narrative that robots are receptacles for male pleasure.

But don't those robots explicitly simulate a specific stereotype of women's sexuality? Maybe they do it accidentally, maybe all the designers are wonderful people with the best of intentions, but doesn't the end result look weirdly like misogynist stereotypes of women?

But don't those robots explicitly simulate a specific stereotype of women's sexuality?

Just a bit. From this Gizmodo article:

Roxxxy is mannequin-like, and comes with her very own personality. While she likes the same things as her owner, she has moods too, and can sometimes get sleepy. She can also take on additional preprogrammed characteristics, such as 'Mature Martha', 'Young Yoko' or 'Frigid Farrah'. Young Yoko is aged just over 18, but she's inexperienced and wants to learn, whereas Mature Martha can show her owner the ropes. Wild Wendy is up for anything, while Frigid Farrah needs a lot of coaxing.

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But don't those robots explicitly simulate a specific stereotype of women's sexuality?

To me, they seem to simulate very broad stereotypes of some mens sexual preferences, which have as much relation to real women as the stereotypes themselves. They're an expression of male fantasy life, not of any real woman, in the same way that a pornstars onscreen persona seldom is an accurate representation of the real artist. Unless you fundamentally disbelieve that men possess the capacity to tell the difference I still struggle to understand the basis for your disagreement.

Did some bloke really tell us about his daughter's sex toys on this thread ?

And his wife's.

Caring is sharing, though it's not particularly hygienic.

Yes, not sure what kind of world some people live in, frankly.

It's certainly a worry. If you are that bloke's daughter.

This thread is in large part a discussion of the essential philosophical question addressed by Alan Turing (the father of computer science) in theoretical academic paper on artificial intelligence. He proposed a test ('The Turing Test')

The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human. Alan Turing proposed that a human evaluator would judge natural language conversations between a human and a machine that is designed to generate human-like responses. The evaluator would be aware that one of the two partners in conversation is a machine, and all participants would be separated from one another. The conversation would be limited to a text-only channel such as a computer keyboard and screen so that the result would not be dependent on the machine's ability to render words as speech If the evaluator cannot reliably tell the machine from the human the machine is said to have passed the test.

If a sex bot could be invented that had physical and intellectual form that could reliably convince a man it was a real human woman who was willing to have sex with the man then the whole question becomes highly tautoloogical.

Does it only matter if the man knows the sexbot is a machine? Does it matter less if he thinks it is a real woman?

Interestingly in the film Bladerunner the two main female characters are both android sexbots and the main male character a human whose job is to detect and terminate renegade androids kills one and eventually forms a true loving relationship with the one remaining most advanced sexbot.

I just don't recognise this world in which sexual stereotypes about women, including porn stars' personae if you want, have no interaction with men's attitudes to women. Sex is not some utterly sealed off area of human behaviour where everyone agreed totally objective conventions for sexual fantasies which just happen to involve men's domination and control of women. That's not to shame people for their sexual tastes, but to point out that woman as a class are massively and historically disadvantaged across the world, and sexual stereotypes of women are part of that.

No, it isn't, BetaDad. Turing's test was about intelligence, not the embodiment of a human facsimile.

This thread has a higher proportion of posts from male posters than any I've ever been on on MN, probably also including Dadsnet threads.

Which is interesting.

Some right fucking creepy ones too

All wrapped up in pseudo intellectual claptrap

We see you

Buffy, just popped back in to say you are awesome.

Off out again, no way am I flogging this stereotypical sexbot dead horse any more.

All mners know that spouses don't pull their weight...

wtf

"Young Yoko is aged just over 18, but she's inexperienced and wants to learn,"

That is personifying the robot.

Surely, Meph, you can see that the experience of having sex with that robot is more akin to having a "just 18" year old teenage prostitute on a retainer or dialling in to a "just 18" year old webcammer and instructing her what to do to please you, than it is to a wank?

Why have none of you right-on men chewing the fat here about fucking plastic women pulled DWH up on talking about his daughter's sex toys ?

I am pretty sure I have seen some of you posting on the Feminism boards. I reckon some of you waded into one of Buffy's threads where she highlighted how the majority of men do fuck-all to pull other men up when they are out of order. I reckon some others of you will wax lyrical given half the chance about what great feminist allies you are

Fuck that shit

Case in point, right here

I think sex is a basic human need, actually its a known fact that it is so. I lived on my own for many years and I could have done with a male sex bot to get me through some of the more fallow times, definitely.