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British families that go on these BBC save money shows can't be real

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Rufusgy · 12/09/2015 21:56

Eat well for less.

A mum sends three children to school with shop bought microwaved pancakes laced with nuttela everyday Hmm

They spend 5 mins explaining how to use a bit of left over chicken in a stir fry, basically just chop up eveything and stir fry it. As if stir fry and woks are some newfangled invention Hmm

They can't afford a house deposit and have zero savings, but won't even consider not buying a brand Hmm

Slicing chease is 'too much work" Hmm

Seriously is any British family actually like this? Who the fuck is stupid enough that they need a prime time BBC show to tell them proccessed food is expensive and its cheaper to make it yourself.

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WhoreGasm · 14/09/2015 15:56

001, one sausage might do for your average 7 year old. But mine are nearly teens, one is 5ft 7 and the other 5ft 6.

Today they'll have both walked nearly a mile to school (all up hill) carrying a heavy school bag (usually weighs between 9 - 13lbs) plus their PE bags and hockey sticks. They'll have done 1.5 hrs of PE. Plus lunchtime netball. Plus a mile walk back, carrying same bags. Then tonight they'll play nearly 2 more hours of intensive sport.

This is a typical day for them.

1 sausage, plus some veg for dinner really isn't going to fill them up Wink

MagickPants · 14/09/2015 15:56

This programme is ridiculous, they are the most extreme types and they are always surprised at how much they actually spend / spent. Most people, no matter how much they spend, at least know, surely? These people are at a very polarised clueless end of the having-a-clue continuum.

very sexist also - it's all the woman's fault. Dad could get up in the morning and put something in the slow cooker!

On the "mumsnet magic chicken". It isn't magic. If you take a normal size chicken, about 3lb, and roast it, and - this is the crucial bit - also roast potatoes, parsnips, carrots, maybe sweet potatoes; do peas and gravy - once you serve all that, you honestly don't have room on the plate for a whole chicken leg or a whole breast. When you go to some sky carvery that makes a selling point on big roast dinners, the plates are huge. A normal roast dinner is a plate of vegetables and gravy with a couple of slices of meat. That way you can serve 5 or 6 and there is definitely a lot left. Even more if people want to have pudding afterwards!

At least that's what we do and nobody complains. Its how I was brought up too and we are all big eaters.

For more of a midweek meal there might only be a bit of salad on the plate with the chicken so maybe people eat more. But I am a bit confused by the insistence that the "magic chicken" is a myth.

If you read a traditional book on cooking basics there is often a bit about carving different meat and poultry. If you look at how to carve fowl, unless it is something tiny like partridge, it would be sliced off the bone and a whole lump like a drumstick wouldn't be put onto somebody's plate.

MagickPants · 14/09/2015 15:58

term sky carvery? I meant skeevy carvery

MagickPants · 14/09/2015 15:59

Whoregasm, I think the thing about dishes made out of sausages (as opposed to cooking the sausages and just putting them on the plate) is that you are supposed to serve less sausage to each person and it is cheaper. Obviously it doesn't work if you are really hungry for protein - and sometimes you are

WhoreGasm · 14/09/2015 16:02

I think you're right magickpants. I'm not worried about cost, just trying to fill them up!

Still, they're not too bad. Have friends with teen boys, and they're like locusts. You genuinely cannot fill them up!

ChunkyPickle · 14/09/2015 16:12

I think there's a great difference in what various people think a portion is - MIL and FIL have a fish/meat portion that in my house would have been enough to feed the lot of us for example, and they have meat every day at that kind of level of consumption - and to them, that's completely normal.

I think that's why some of us look at a chicken and see a meal, plus lunch the next day or two, and others look at you like you're mad with that suggestion (I draw the line before boiling the carcass for soup)

Frequency · 14/09/2015 16:19

I can fit a whole chicken breast onto a sunday roast, t'is easy, you just need a bigger plate Grin

My medium sized chicken will make:

A monday sunday roast for 1 adult, 1 teen and 1 pre teen (dc2 missed her dinner yesterday and has requested to have it today)
A chicken, stuffing and red onion sarnie fror dc2's lunch tomorrow
A chicken and pepper omelet for my supper tomorrow.

There may or may not be some left over for the cat.

I am overweight, the children are not. I'm not overweight because I eat too much poultry, I'm overweight because Iceland make it easy to have Greggs pasties day or night, straight from the oven.

And however much you argue over it, you cannot make a cheaper meal than value chicken nuggets, frozen chips and a tin of sweetcorn. No matter how great a cook you are.

Sometimes making your own can be cheaper, depending on what you are making, a lot of the time it is not.

beardsrock · 14/09/2015 16:21

There are people who really cant cook.

A friend of my mum's attempted to make spag bol by putting the entire block of mince straight from the packet in a baking dish and putting in in to cook. She thought that was how you 'brown mince'!!

She then added only ketchup to make the sauce.

Jesus wept.

MyFavouriteClintonisGeorge · 14/09/2015 16:24

Very good post, AnnePerkins.

I haven't seen the programme, but one thing that occurs to me is that there is still a general assumption when healthier/cheaper food is being discussed that the wife/mother will do the cooking. I can imagine that in some families where she already has to take on a disproportionate amount of housework and childcare despite also working full-time, cooking is one thing that a woman might be unwilling to take on. Or, to put it better, one area where a quick alternative exists so she takes advantage of it.

The more I see and hear about these kinds of programmes the more I realise it is about a lot more than just food, or just cost.

Once upon a time lots of people had a canteen at work. They could eat a full (subsidised) meal at lunchtime and have a light dinner at home, so they probably didn't cook any more than people do now, but were still healthier.

I reckon most of us really did eat a lot less meat, years ago, but probably better meat. My grandmother grew up very poor and had a lot of saturated fat (bread and dripping, butter etc) and very little meat. However what they did have was stuff like wild rabbit and organic meat (because no one could afford the kind of antibiotics etc they give to animals now).

When I go to my father's country now, a lot of people still eat like that: things are flavoured using bones and animal fat but the amount of actual meat in the dish is very little. There are more vegetable and carbs, out of pure necessity. Also, people there eat far less sugar, and hardly any sugary drinks. I lose between half and one stone there every time I go.

Here, it can be a battle sometimes to find anything to eat that isn't high fat and high sugar. The UK is seriously confectionary mad, it is everywhere, and so is the advertising. I remember one awful motorway journey when we were badly delayed and I rushed into a service station to try and find a snack for the children, thinking that milk, apples or crackers would be easy to find. There was nothing in the whole place except crisps, burgers or sweets. No milk, no fruit, no nuts, not even plain cake or a scone. That's an extreme case, but it tells you quite a lot about what the average Briton must be in the habit of buying.

Bolograph · 14/09/2015 16:24

There are people who really cant cook.

But rather fewer who are incapable of learning.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 14/09/2015 16:37

(I draw the line before boiling the carcass for soup)
not soup but stock for risotto, can't beat it.

Verbena37 · 14/09/2015 16:43

I was quite shocked as to how little cooking knowledge that lady on the show had however, I actually felt sorry for her.....perhaps she didn't have a mum to show her those things as she was growing up or perhaps her mum did the same as she now does etc.

People shouldn't be so judgey...she went on the show and now she likes he changes they suggested. They will save a lot of money. She seemed like a really nice mum and her kids were lovely and polite and enthusiastic.

BabyGanoush · 14/09/2015 16:46

Yes, it is everywhere here.

I had such a giggle when I went on a bike ride with DH in Holland last year, and he saw a news agent and said he had to go in.

He came out looking sheepish...they did not sell any choc bars or fizzy drinks...just news papers and stationary and birthday cards Grin

In the UK all kinds of shops, like news agents, sell choc and sweets and crisps. It is almost too easy to fall into the habit of popping in for a quick sugar high.

MagickPants · 14/09/2015 16:52

It really is worth boiling up the carcass, it takes time but not time you actually have to do anything, it does itself. I am not veggie but dp is and I will not often buy or cook meat just for me and the dcs. When someone comes round and I roast a chicken it feels like a great event and so I am loathe to let go of any of that yummy proteinous flavour.

These conversations and tv shows do tend to place an unfair hammering on the woman. if I had nothing to do but stay at home and look after my family we would probably be eating hand crafted orechiette by now, now that the dcs are at school. as it is, like everyone else, I have a million things to do and things get thrown together and hurled onto the table. Obviously it is brilliant that I am able to go out and work and I don't want to turn the clock back but I feel like women of today are being held to the domestic standards of years ago without having the time to do these things.

when I was crippled with SPD I was furious with judgey threads on here about how "it takes 5 minutes to make a simple pasta sauce" and so on, you know the ones, but even bending down to get the pans out was excruciating let alone standing chopping an onion. It's only easy if it's easy for you.

And then there's not knowing how to do it. I am oldish and have a rather traditional mother who taught me a lot of stuff as she went along and I love food so have built on it over the years. However, we live in a society which devalues women's skills so a lot of them have not been nurtured and passed on and I think that is very sad.

I can think of very little more debilitating than not trusting yourself with food. Not knowing whether something is off or not, not knowing what cuts to buy or what to do if you can't get exactly the right ingredients for a recipe or not knowing how much to make for x people or not knowing what to bulk things out with if 3 more people suddenly turn up. It must make you anxious three times a day.

Tfoot75 · 14/09/2015 16:54

It might be cheaper to feed one person chicken nuggets chips and sweetcorn but it's definitely not cheaper to feed a family that way, compared to batch cooking with plenty of vegetables which really does cost pennies per person. Any the meat content in value chicken nuggets is practically nil so the nutrition is vastly different.

I think some people at lower ends of the income scale can think they're a bit above eating cheaper cuts or offal, without realising that's exactly what they're getting (if lucky) in processed meats such as value sausages and nuggets. It's not a good diet or a cheap one, compared to cheap cuts of meat with vegetables that they would have been eating in times gone by.

MyFavouriteClintonisGeorge · 14/09/2015 17:02

I agree with everything you say, MagickPants, especially:

I feel like women of today are being held to the domestic standards of years ago without having the time to do these things.

Frequency · 14/09/2015 17:05

I don't think any meat costs literally pennies, some veg does but without a protein it wouldn't be very filling or healthy and what about sauces, flavourings, herbs? If you don't have a decent stock cupboard building one up can be expensive.

I also don't think people on a low income think they are above anything, how horribly judgmental.

It's more likely that they just don't know how to cook it/what to ask for/what it goes with.

The same with lentils, beans etc, people just don't know what to do with them anymore, that yeah, could bulk up a veg meal for pennies.

I wouldn't have the first clue what to do with offal should I ever decide that it's edible it's not, not unless you are a dog

I'm not blaming schools, I believe that children should be taught life skills at home, unfortunately a lot of people don't have the time or skills themselves, but cooking doesn't seem to be passed down anymore. I will never forget when DC1 told me she had to take an apple to her first year 7 cooking class, I asked why an apple and only an apple, what can you make with 1 single apple? Her reply was that they need to learn to use a sharp knife safely. I questioned this with the school and allegedly there are enough year 7 pupils starting school with no idea how to chop an apple or use a knife properly that this must be the first lesson.

MagickPants · 14/09/2015 17:05

I think we should have community restaurants that serve decent cheap food that you can eat without having to put the time in to cooking it. Slow cooked food - which is the best way to cook certain things like certain pulses and certain cuts of meat - can't be thrown together at 5 pm before piano lesson at 6.30, nor at 8pm when everyone is home and be ready before everyone wants to go to bed. People are busy and breaded things that can be put in the oven serve a purpose. If you could have something nicer without it costing the earth, you would.
Children would eat free (why not? Apparently IKEA can serve organic kids' menus for £3 a head, you could easily subsidise children's meals)
It would be lovely for busy people to have somewhere to eat something decent.
All the convenience food is crap american - influenced stuff either from the freezer or from macdonalds and it doesn't have to be. Cheap food doesn't have to be bad.

You could do worse than a chicken kebab - muscle meat grilled and served with bread and a ton of salad - but it's not exactly a cosy place to sit down with your family

Bolograph · 14/09/2015 17:06

perhaps she didn't have a mum to show her those things as she was growing up or perhaps her mum did the same as she now does etc.

I really struggle to see how adults can say "I didn't learn this at my mother's knee, so now I have no hope of ever doing so". There are plenty of cookery books, television programmes and so on, so it doesn't seem hard for a NT adult to learn how to cook.

Bolograph · 14/09/2015 17:07

Slow cooked food - which is the best way to cook certain things like certain pulses and certain cuts of meat - can't be thrown together at 5 pm before piano lesson at 6.30

I love that your example is piano lessons: only yesterday was I admiring Waitrose Essential Balsamic Vinegar.

Slow cookers cost, what, twenty quid?

MagickPants · 14/09/2015 17:10

After the revolution, everyone who wants to will have piano lessons.

BabyGanoush · 14/09/2015 17:11

Magick

Where I worked used to be a great Italian takeaway, mainly pasta but also escalopes, baked aubergine, salads etc. They offered a hot meal for £3.50. It always had home made sauce, it was always nice proper food.

It did very well too, we need more places like that!

In other countries (lived in many) it was always much easier to get a home cooked style hot lunch, cheaply. Only country worse than UK was Holland though, where nobody seems to eat a hot lunch ever.

MagickPants · 14/09/2015 17:13

I get really pissed off on mumsnet with "moving tasks around" being presented as a solution to "having no more fucking time". Having a slow cooker just means you are standing over your hob browning onions at 6am instead of crawling exhausted out of bed at 6.30am. It is not a solution to THERE NOT BEING ENOUGH HOURS IN THE DAY. Not everything is laziness. Not everything is lack of foresight.

when I was pregnant and breastfeeding and pathetically naive and credulous I was constantly clicking on threads entitled things like "tips for working with preschoolers" and 98.98465% of the "tips" amounted to "do all the same shit, but do it when you'd rather be asleep"

RhodaBull · 14/09/2015 17:16

Frequency - you can't eat a chicken omelette! Ugh! I believe it's called a "mother and child reunion"...

MsJamieFraser · 14/09/2015 17:18

I cook everything from scratch, and it is not cheaper, more nutritious and healthy YES, cheaper, No.

I have made mince, dumplings and tatties today (scottish style) and used

£2.89, for 400g of lean beef mince.
9p carrot
28p onion (but grated it, as the 3 fella's in my family don't like the texture)
neeps 55p
creamed mashed tattie, 83p
broccoli 49p
packet of suet mix 29p comes, to just under £5.50 for a meal for 4.
3 oxo cubes 17p
wholesome, filling and nutritious.

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